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Season 1, Episode 50 · 2 years ago

"I've Always Had Dreams for Something Bigger" with John Rocha - The Basement Lounge, Ep. #50


We've reached our Season 1 finale! Fifty episodes in the can and we couldn't be more proud! And to cap off this amazing first season, we've brought in a guest that has been long requested and long sought after.

John "The Outlaw" Rocha is an actor, host, producer, writer, podcaster, and multi-belted competitor in the Movie Trivia Schmoedown. We spend some time getting to know John as on a much deeper and more personal level, uncovering his origins in acting, his time in the military, and the iconic moment of winning his first championship title in the Movie Trivia Schmoedown.

We promised a big finish to the season, and boy have we delivered!


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...those are the things I'm learning to not to be too precious about the things that I create. You hear that. You hear that in in the Creator's waits a lot. You have to learn your darlings. Yeah, yeah, no matter how much believe in something, it's not working. It's not working. Yeah, you didn't stand up to no matter how much I might think my joke about the letter why being a part time vowel is funny. Is anybody else is going to make it? Yeah, that that I try to make. That work. Not so much so you are you're originally from over here on the East Coast. Correct? Yes, yeah, but I mean I was born in Philly but I was raised in Virginia since I was one years old. Yeah, and both your parents were from Bolivia, correct. Yeah, South American Bolivia. Yeah, my dad from coach of Moma, my mom from La bus but they met here, ironically enough, not in Bolivia. So yeah, they just to Bolivian immigrants, just happy to meet up in the dates. Yeah, yeah, I mean it was really interesting because they got married on their fourth date, which I guess is how it was back then. But my mom met my dad when my uncle had brought my mom on a first date to, you know, Sara Latino, their old school. So that's you meet the family first before you go on the date or while you're on the date, see if they approve or not. Well, my mom slid her number to my dad because she had liked she could tell she wasn't be interested in him. When she saw my dad it was like Poof, and so she said her number to him. My Dad is ten years older than her at the time. What is was? And then, yeah, they got they went out behind my uncle's back and they kept. Then he found out about him. I Dad told him this is happening. They to break it to you. This is happening. And then they got married. Yeah, fourth, fourth date. Yeah, yes, goals time, man, that's yeah, ushould yeah, that that whole guy. Guy Goes on girl goes on a date. That's chaperone. Didn't meets the guy's brother and day time. Yeah, it's Romeo and Juliet, totally, only with the with the mark. Happy are ending the right right. And then so you. So you grew up, you grew up in Virginia, and then college was and I know college was kind of a mixed bag with you. Yeah, yeah, my first trip through college was a mess and just for a number of reasons. And then I just joined the military and was doing that for a little bit and then started going back to college to get my Aa degree later on in my s while I was still in the military, and then eventually went to Florida state and ninety seven and that was that was a life changing experience. Like I don't think, I don't think my life would be anywhere near as exciting or crazier have as many adventures if I had just stayed in that small town of Virginia. The the first run through college, you know from for me was that first pace of independence from mom and Dad. Yeah, again I kind of crashed and burned pretty hard. Was it kind of the same situation for you? Quite ironically, completely different in that it was a commuter school, so I didn't get that independence for my mom and Dad. I had to live at home for the first couple of years. I was managing a video store to be able to pay for college. I think the mistake I made was that I was so like it was such a culture shock to go to college versus high school. I couldn't make friends with anybody. I was having battles with with a people in class. I just was not in the best space. And then I stupidly joined a fraternity. Now, this is not against anybody who has great experiences with a eternity. My experiences were horrible. I was the only liberal in an ultra conservative fraternity. So it just did not work for me at all. And Yeah, I mean that's yeah, right, right, right, and so and I saw it and it was the worst. I saw guys like cheating on each other's girlfriends, wives, Gen Jos wives. I saw insane amount of drinking, sexual assault, all that kind of Shit, and I just was like this isn't this isn't for me and and I left. I left. I remember going to see Malcolm X and there's a line in movie says you should never be a member of any group that you don't research for, you don't do enough, you don't get enough knowledge about. fraternity just to be a part of something. I didn't really Joan Trinity because I wanted to join the frarinity so that once again, it's might not be the FRA Trinity's fault. It was just a bad mix overall and it wasn't for me and the end. And Yeah, and that's and I left school. I left school and went to the went into the military. It was kind of the the decision there. Yeah, I had I see and see. I had I had the opposite picnical fraternity where I was imcorded by one uh, and then just kind of in my own meeting people and going to some of the events, which is kind of like ad since it's not my thing. Yeah, I could kind of see. I guess, you know, for some of the red flags ahead of time. Yeah, just you know, there was a there was a level of like a kind of like... said, there was like I just wanted to make friends. Yeah, yeah, but the military. So you joint it was at the army. Yeah, when in the army. I remember, like I said, I was managing that video store at the time. Was One thousand nine hundred and ninety I think, and recruiter came into the store. He had been in the store many times, you know, I'd seen him a few times and I guess this one time and the thing is I was so depressed at the at the university that I had started to put on weight, like I wasn't working out and I was just in a super depressed place and I remember feeling maybe the first inklings of suicide o ideas, you know, the idea like well, you know, I'm discussing I'm unattractive, I don't think I'm going to go anywhere, and at the time I was really obsessed with finding love, obsessed with being in love, and you know, all of that back then, because it was feeling probably I was searching for something that I was trying to I didn't get while I was at home and it's not not a fault to my parents necessarily. It's just well, I was so this recruiter was coming through and I remember I was just so desperate to get out of the situation I was in. I felt like I was on a one way street straight into a wall, and I said to him, I said I know your recruiter. How quickly could I be on a bus too basic training, if I come down tomorrow morning and sign up? And he said I could have you on a bus in three weeks. I said okay. So the next morning I remember as a friend of mine, Robbie, he came. I think his knews, Robbie, he can't I've seen He. We drove over there, I took the test. I got like a ninety four, something like that on the asbab. So basically I had my choice of whatever branch of the service I wanted to go. And now, if I had been a little bit smarter, I'd have gone into the air force because the air force really does train you for the post military world in many, many ways. But I felt like my commitment was to this recruiter who said it could get me on the bus, and it may be the maybe the air four situation was like two months from now I could go to basic or something like that. I don't remember, but I took the base. I was not going to go marines. That was wasn't for me, and Navy just didn't seem right at the time, even though it was a huge stop gun Fan. Just didn't seem right at the time. So I joined the army and I was on a bus three three week, three month, three weeks later. And I didn't tell my parents, by the way, before I signed up and because I was over eighteen, I was allowed to do it without their permission, but my dad mum were supremely pissed and hurt for for a quite some time. You know that you just did you went, or did you did it without talking to them? Yeah, I did it. Well, both really that I did really talking to them. They were hurt by that, but they were they were pissed by that, but they were hurt by the fact that I would just, you know, kind of possibly throw my life away or, you know, put myself in harm's way and danger. My Dad, I remember very clearly my dad said to me. He's like you can't even take discipline from me. How are you going to take discipline from the military people like you're not going to be able to follow their rules. You're always rebelling against era. It's an outlaw from the beginning because you're always rebelling against my rules, because my dad and I used to have hollacious fights verbally and a couple of times physically, and so he was just concerned that I would be in a bad situation, and he wasn't wrong. Mike could because I had seen full mental jacket the year before or a few years before, and so in my mind I thought that I was going to be like private piles. So I was super scared that I was going to get a soap party at some point, you know. So there was a lot of a lot of going into it. You watching jobs before you go on a beach vacation or in the water or in there. It's a you know what, one of the things that initially drew me to you as a smow down competitor and as an online personality is that there's a level of every man relatability to you. Thanks. You know similar and for me especially, you know similar situation. You know, my dad and I had a very rough relationship growing up wasn't not to be an adult, and we kind of got past that, and by that I mean I quit being a shitthead of a teenager, that we were able to kind of work path that and stuff to do. It's tough to do it. Yeah, there are still some that I look back on even now and I'm like now, I was right, that was love me, Dad, but that I had you there Um. But you know, it's interally. But you bring up like, you know, the idea of you can't even follow my own orders would be a lasted. They're which I think was actually one of the reasons why I never because I had the recruiter, you know, my the summer before my high school, my senior year of high school. You know, they can start a call in the house like hey, you ever give any thought to join? And I was like, I have seen a few. I to see a few good men and was thinking a lot time. So I was like, I don't know, I thought about like maybe like joining up and becoming an MP or something for the guard. All right, cool, we'll be at your house tomorrow. And these guys showed up and I was like was a fleeting thought. Like two years ago May, but there is that, there is that idea of like some people do go there to learn, to get that sense of discipline and their one and and did you?...

Did you kind of come out with that? Oh, yeah, I think it's still serves me today that whenever I, you know, really think I can't do something, I really thinking on the strength to do something, I remember, Hey, you survived this. You know when it really came in handy after my father died. I mean that was maybe some of the worst three years of my life and it was like, every time it got to be too much, I'd remember, Hey, man, you were able to survive this, you were able to get over this, you're going to get past this, and you know that was difficult enough as it was. So if you can get past this, if if you could get past that, you can get past this. So there was a lot of that for myself personally. So yeah, it's always coming handy. Mean Study, going back to college and studying all of that. Like I have a very strong discipline about things like that. Is why the outline nations six months. You know, I rarely miss a show and but that's borne out of the idea of wanting to do that and my allegiance is to this and my dedications to this. So there's a discipline factor that really gets involved. When you were in the military, what was your like? Were you with boots on the ground, infantry? Well, no, I was a thirty one. Charlie was a radio telephone operator. So you know, yeah, in charge of moving troops around, relaying messages about troop movement, all of that. You know, when I went in to the average lifespan of a radio telephone opera in a rack, I think it was the first. Yeah, the first Gulf War was like seven minutes, something like that. That's what they were thinking, because the antenna you put up is like a sixty foot, seventy five foot silver antenna and the middle of the desert that is going to stick out. In Vietnam it was even less, you know, US because of like the anomaly of the jungle and all that. So it would it had a its own dangers or perils and I remember that distinctly when I was in. So yeah, so even even even in the in the army, you were already like in that realm of broadcasting. And Yeah, I kind of I mean I've always, I've always I mean, I was an actor in high school and you know, I wanted to be an actor when I first went to college and I just didn't have the guts. Didn't have the guts because my parents are always like, Oh, you know, you're not going to make any money, you're going to be poor, this is a terrible thing, and so they tried to steer me into other things, but I was always drawn back to it and I even Djed my first trip through college for a couple of years at the local radio station because I was just like I need, I have to scratch this itch. And so, yeah, so I've always, yeah, I've always been involved in some form broadcasting, a spose. I'm working a radio man. It was so much fun. I wish I could a job in radio that could do like serious exam. I want to know how much those fuckers get paid. Right closet those shows from their bathroom, like I want to know how much, because because if I can do that with my eyes fucking closed, so it's like, okay, how do I have much? How to get into a situation like that? You know, I worked for I worked for an FM rock station in college two years and I was I was the board operator on nights and weekends and I used to beg to let them have because there we had no programming on at this time. I was like right, we have an hour. Let mean have an hour of you know, I was I was more of the heavier stuff and I was like right, hour of like Metallica and just just like eleven and midnight load dollar risk, and they wouldn't let me do that. But they didn't have a but it made me mad because it was like, you know, you get Steve From accounting. Yeah, who comes in every month record all the air breaks for the month, because they preplan that stuff out of right, right, and it's it was I was also eighteen, nineteen years old. Who The hell was I? But yeah, it's radio. You know. I did it all through college and I think it's part of reason why I still do this as man. It was just fun. Yeah, well, you got it. Everyone tells you've got a great radio boys, so it's just a matter of getting yourself in the position and got a great radio voice and a great radio face to hey, oh yeah, theater kid in high school. I remember these. My Mom and dad too, were kind of the yeah, you can do this, but have a backup plan, right, of course, always it wasn't they always mean well, yeah, and again it ended up being a good idea. So, yeah, true, you know that too much. Did you continue doing the it? Because it was by the time you left the the army and we're back in the college then in Florida State, where you still I mean you were still on the actor train, right? Yeah. Well, no, actually, you know, because I when I left the first college and went into the military, you know, I had only done one play. I think of that college because I was kind of hiding it from my mom and dad, like I was going to rehearsal, but I would tell them that I was going to study with friends at night. So it's like I would stay late to the college so they didn't find out so much much later that I was doing I was doing that. So you were, you were. What's his what's the kids name from? Yeah, Robert Shawn Leonard, he think. Said my dad was not her woods man. Wasn't that kind of a situation? But yeah, I mean he just didn't want to you just didn't want to do it, and so, you know, because he was worried about me. But when I went back to college, I remember...

...coming on the military or beginning the process of coming out the military, and I remember thinking of myself, well, what do I really want to do with my life? What do I really want to do? Well, you know, I'm twenty seven years old, our two thousand five hundred twenty four. When I was when I started going back to college and I was like, I want to go back to college, I want to get my degree. I didn't get a chance to get back to do the first time through, so I started slowly but surely putting it back together, going to the junior college, or I'm starting to a community college, and I got my a degree and at that point I took a year off and went lived in Charles Ville, Virginia with my best friend, to still my best friend now, and we worked at a TV station together and I was a master control operator and he was a hoaks, he was a sports host, and in that year is when I kind of took a little bit of a break and then I started it submitting to colleges and I got accepted to Florida state and I remember I brought it the letter. I was opening the letter or whatever. I read the letter of my friend and I was just like, don't really want to go to Colle I could do I'm really want to do this. I don't really want to go. I mean I'm kind of making a big strong choice about acting and blah, blah, blah. They can just stay here and work. And so he goes tell you what want, you go interview one of the guys who's a new who's the WHO's one of the directors here for the for the news, sit down with him, have a conversation with him and you tell me whether you'll be happy with that kind of life for the rest of your life, because you could absolutely do that to you're dead or you retire. And I was like all right. So I sat with this guy, remember, Todd says that was his name, Charles Will Virginia and BC twenty nine. We sat and talked for like, I don't know, half an hour and I asked him about everything. He was very kind to find time to talk to these busy job and he and as he was talking to me, I could see the I'm stuck here for the rest of my fucking life vibe coming through when he spoke about it, and I just remember being like yeah, that's I've always had dreams for something bigger. So that kind of conversation I was just like yeah, all right, fine. So and I went back to our part of that night. He was just like well, what was your conversation like? In in the end he was like see, I told you, this is not if you're here. It's almost like Ben Affleck and David. He was he in a good will. He's like, if you're here and six months I'm I'm going to move out because I don't want you, I don't want to be around you, if you're not going to pursue this, because I think you should. So it was his way of kicking my ass to go to Florida state, and he was right, man. I mean I remember driving down in Florida state. First soon as I stepped out of the car and smelled the air down there, I knew I was in the right place and new town has I just knew it it stinctually. And so my dad and I that weekend we got an apartment for me and then I moved my stuff down. Maybe a couple weeks later, a month later, I moved my stuff down and that was that start of the process. You know, there's something about finding the right college. Yeah, some people fight it right off the bad they're cool with where they're at. Good for them. I you know, I bounced around a bit too, hmm. And there was something about where I finally landed on what would be my Alma Mater, where, like I remember taking like that first day just kind of being like yeah, this is it. Yeah, it's like when you find the right car or the right house or you just you just know, man, and then and then and then, I believe, for Florida State. Now that's where you met asn't where you met Christian? Yes, Christian I mean. And the thing is, Christian and I knew we were friends and we knew each other, but I didn't hang out with Christian like you know, in those in the one of the places that were, you know, the boxing, all that kind of stuff. I didn't do any of that like that was all Christian doing it on the side. I had no idea about any of it. I'm sure he invited me and I'm sure I was like yeah, I'm not watching a knuckle boxing in the middle of the street kind of Shit. I'm here to get a degree, man, I got no, I don't need to be getting into any and you know that's what you do in your twenties, young twenties. You're like, Oh yeah, this is going to be fun. But me, I was two twenty eight when I went, when I finally got to Florida State. So for me, the focus was getting my degree, getting a's in every one of my classes and soaking up as much of this as I could. You know, it's so Christian and I knew each other and we'd hang out every want in a while, but you know, I wasn't hanging out his house or anything like that, you know, while I were there or in this apartment or anything. are going with these fights. So, you know, we respect at each other, you know, when you go hang out in the flight club, because eventually you're gonna have to fight. Yeah, right, that's the eighth rule of Fight Club. If it's your first night, you fight. But yeah, I mean it was it was cool to be down there. I met a lot of great friend, I mean the Geek Buddies. Michael is, I met him at Florida State, Michael Vogel and shadows. Well, yeah, Shannon, it was at Florence stay like half of some like semester or half a year and then he went off and did his own things. So those are lifelong friendships that I still have a life on from. The woman that just shot my head shots is someone that I was friends with back in college. She was, she's she was a very sought after professional photographer here in Los Angeles and now she's moving to Atlanta. So I mean, like, I have a number of friends since why we roll so deep. We just have a number of friends that are lifelong friends now that I met at Florida state. So, yeah, it was the right choice. Those college friendships, Ma, and there's there nothing like them. You know, I you know I have.

I have two friends from high school that I still talk to. Yeah, wow, it's something about the people you meet in college, especially when the ones who are like, you know, in your in your school, yeah, studdying the same things and you have similar career pass and there's there's a bond that forms there. Yeah, you know I yeah, because I wouldn't when I was finishing school. I was the old man on campus too, because I until much time off and there was a there was a kid my senior year I called my Kiddi's married now, but as I was you know, getting ready to graduate, he was having his his freshman year, and now he's my you know, my creative partner, my my writing body, and it's so interesting. You know, like you mentioned, like you got, you've got Mike and Shannon, who you guys back that far, and now you're hoaxing a podcast together and and it's crazy how how long those settle in for? Yeah, how did you? So, how did you come about making your way out to Los Angeles? Well, I think I'd always figured, like I always loved movies. I mean even as a kid I was a fan of movies and there was this decision to be made when I was heading towards my graduation, and, by the way, I graduated in ninety nine, but I stuck around for another year running a production company and make you money off that production company. Yeah, the fun to my move to Los Angeles I was able to talk about was that. We're talking about that. Okay, what company, man, what was that like? Yeah, it was. It was all for plays. So I was a producer and director and it just was, you know, it's a happy accident. I wanted to direct Glenar, Glenn Ross, and I did it as an experiment and at College, by the way, I'd had no training as a director. I just knew what I know works and instinctually I just knew and so and at the time before to state you could petition there. What kind of there was like a committee. You could petition and pitch place and Pict yourself to direct it or produce it in their black box theater. So I did gling Gary Glen Ross, and when I did gling Garry Glen Ross, that really kind of open people's eyes, and then when I played the lead in Titus Andronicus, that open people's eyes about me as an actor. So I was like I was building a resume there, a a knowledge, or brand, for lack of a better term. And so when I graduated I was like, well, I want to expand out, because I directed a couple of things and I said I want to expand out of the college, like I want to try something professionally. So twelve under men was something I always wanted to direct, but I wanted to do it with a multigender cast and or gender blond cast and a color blond cast, and so I set about doing that. They're in Tallahassee, I started a production company. I originally was going to produce it and hired a director, but he backed out at the last minute and so I, in essence, had to direct it and thanks to my friend Andrei Gordon, who encouraged me every step of the way, I was able will to do it, you know, and I learned a lot of lessons about how to speak to people, about how to get people to get to where they're going, how to, you know, motivate different people to do different things depending on who they are as people, as actors. So all those things kind of I had to learn by, you know, trial and error because again, I hadn't been trained. I had been trained any of this. I just knew what visually worked for me. So I ended up shooting it in there. I ended up doing it in the round, so I completely had I rented bleachers and had them installed, like it was a whole thing, you know, and I just had a vision for it and I use the bombs. So and it got great reviews and and people loved it and I made it. I made a good chunk of change and then I directed another one camera what it was, but I directed another play and then made the money off that and from there that's what gave me enough to to fund my trip to California, to come out to California. That's so cool. I just I love those homegrown, grass root stories like that. A lot of it. I don't know any other way to do it. Man, no one's ever been in a position to throw me money. I always have to fight for it or whatever. So it's my jobe, my life. If you ever find out the position needed to get money thrown at you, please like just, you know, poked them online. Well, being attractive helps, being young helps, pretty helps. Yeah, right, exactly. I had none of those at the time and barely do now. So yeah, I mean it was it was a fun, fun situation and I learned a lot as a director, learned La as an actor, learn a lot of the people person but I was proud of it. I was really proud of the time I did there directing, you know, directing and producing versus acting. Do is I know you've done a lot more of the acting, getting back into were directing and producing. Is that something you I know you kind of do that right now with the outland nation. Yeah, but you know, like in the theater scene...

...or maybe like independent film. Is that something you've given any thought to film and film would be interesting. It's I think I'd have to have a great cinematographer on set who is not who is not egotistical, you know, something like Greg Toland, who taught wells, you know, and wells taught him. So if I could work in conjunction with a great cinematographer that I think has my best interests in mind, then yes, but if I but other than that, I actually was funny we're talking about this that I was actually thinking about that the other day and now that all this covid situation everything happening, I wonder how much more open theaters would be to take a chance on a guy who's only directed two or three things in his entire life, and it was twenty years ago. You know. Would they let me come in and direct something? I mean we were watching episode of Perry Mason and I saw that the I had no idea black cab drivers existed back in the S, called for this company called Jitney and she literally we were sitting there and she's like, Oh yeah, August Wilson, she used to work at the Boston theater there were August would preview his plays, and so she said I I used to come, when I come to work, I'd make sure to come a little early so I could watch his plays going on and Blah, blah, blah. And so she said, yeah, he wrote an incredible play called jetting about black taxi drivers back in the in La and the S, and I was like Holy Shit. So, so I was excited by that. And so maybe I might get a copy of the play and read it and if it sounds interesting that I might start pitching it around town as something to do, as if I, you know, have a lot of time or anything, but it would be fun to direct the play again and see if I could pull it off again, you know. So, yeah, I thought about it, for sure. I studied August Wilson in high school and never knew that or college and everything yet. Yeah, right, I took a I took an African American literature class in college and that was one of those fascinating classes I ever took. Oh Nice, I learned, I learned. I mean that's where I discovered fences. Talking about August O. Yeah, to me to this day, is the one of my favorite players. Yeah, getting it, you know, and then getting you know, you've done a lot of voice acting. And you know, we've talked about voice acting quite a bit on this show. You know, when we talk about stand up, we tell people if you want to get into it, you know, write some jokes, go to an open mic. If you want to get into music, pick him an instrument, learn to play it. Getting into voice acting, it's like, you know, even at even regular acting it's like go audition for a play. Right. Voice acting, on the other hand, is a it's such a different ball game and and the channels to get into that world aren't as obvious. HMM. Is that something you can got a little insight on? Well, I mean my story. Once again, my story is unique and because there's a you know, and when we hosted that podcast for a long time, or show Yury Lowenthal, we hosted two versions of a show about interviewing people in the voiceover world, you know, and first one was called cast of characters. We did it over on the defunct keek nation, I think it's defunct, and then we did something called Super Animation game time over for Geek and sundry, where we bring guests in to talk about their experiences as voiceover artists. And you know, the one thing that we came. The one thing that constant, was a constant narrative of all those shows, is that there was never one way in to become a voice over artist. There are many, many ways in, and you just never know how it'll drop in your lap or how it'll present itself. For me it was that again my friend Andre Gordon, who had once again lifelong friend from Florida state. He had kind of hustled his way into William Morris. He became a voice over artist at William Morrison, ever, and he he was good friends with an assistant at the time. Forget her name, but he was. I think Terry was her name, and he was good friends with her, and so he she kind of walked him in there and they liked his voice over real and so they took him. Well, he said he found out that they were looking for voiceover artist who spoke Spanish. So he pitched me because I fluent. He pitched me to the agent who's representing them, to those talent at the time and he took me. I auditioned for the scarface video game. He liked what I did with it. I didn't book it, but he liked what I did. was so he said, what I'll do is I'll backpocket you and then, while I'm back pocketing you, which means I'm not going to sign you until you book something, I will give you auditions or send you auditions. You come into audition here. In the meantime, work on a real in the meantime, figure out what this career is and Blah, Blah Blah. And so that's what I did. So, I mean it was my friend. As one of those Hollywood things. It's who, you know, my friends, all this possibility. He reachs out to me. I went an audition for it and the Guy Really liked me and I was represented from by Way Morris for voiceover all the way up until about two months ago here in Los Angeles because of they shut down their entire voiceover division for anybody but celebrities because of the I cost overruns of covid and everything like that. So so now I'm on the hunt for a new voiceover agent. So but yeah, I mean that's it's kind of like a weird, weird world,... That's this just a it's a usually usually and you know, for me it you know, I've done like some of like some serialized podcasts, yeah, you know which which are fun and you get you get to flex a little bit like that. But yeah, it's it does seem from kind of like what you said. It does seem to be one of those things where everyone's story, I think everyone story for getting into their career is different in general, but for voice that in particular, it's like there's there's no two stories for me, but they're alike as are, as you know, voice acting and versus versus, like live acting. Do you have a because you've done some TV and the obviously theater. Oh Yeah, theaters where I live and breathe. Man, I'm not good. I don't like being on camera. I don't like acting for on camera. I mean, I'll do it. I'm getting a new age. Oh, I've got a new agent now and I just took new headshots. I'll be getting back on the on the audition train for commercialism, possibly theatrical stuff, but theaters where I live in breathe. Man. It's why I do well in live events. Man, I just I can feel the crowd. It's instinctive, it's organic within me, and so when I feel the crowd with me, man, I just I roll with it. Man, I love it, love that energy, and so it's it's like a drug. It really is what people say. It's why so many people who love the theater stay in it for so long. It's such an incredible drug. Man, there are days I missed it. There are day I did all through college. Yeah, just you know the the last one I did was I did we did the the Trojan women. Oh yeah, right, I was King Menelais. That was fine. That was fun. I all you know, because my whole role is to stand there and have Helen tried to seduce me into not having execute alert have her executed anyway. But that was fun. I was funny. The arm where they put me in was was not built for a guy my size, but it's what we had to move very well in it, and so they were giving out fake awards at the end of the run and they are like for most released likely to move his arms here, because I couldn't. I couldn't there. That's great. It was fun though. So how did you meet Steve Morris to come around to put together the cinefile? Oh well, Steve and I knew each other as friends for a long time through our friend Michael Vogel. The GIG Buddy, Michael Bob. Yeah, I think Steve had. I think Michael had met our friend Vicki, who's been on the cinephile. She was Onlin hair. Met Sally episode, She was an actress here in La. We had just gotten to La and they came ahead of me, like the guys the the the floor state crew were about six months ahead of me because they graduated. Like I said, I'd stay after to do Prussian come, but I also worked for a accounts payable firm for a women's domestic violence shelter for money. Like I was doing that as well. So really proud of that and I earned enough money with that and the theater stuff to fund my trip to La. But so they were ahead of me by about six months and they had, you know, already started auditioning for plays. Michael, at the time was still a considering being an actor. So he took a job at you know, it's already got cast in a play. There was a Greek play, the Greek play, one of the Greek plays, I remember it was at the time. Yeah, I can remember it was one of the female named ones. I can't remember what it is. But so he met Vicki and Vicky knew some people and those people knew Steve and Karen, his wife Karen, and so there was like there was the Florida state crew, there was about, I don't know, twenty two, thirty people, and then there was the USC cal crew, the California crew, and we meld it our groups together so became like a super group of like forty something people, and Steve was one of those people, along with Karen, and so we met through there and then Steve and I and all of us we'd all get into random conversations whenever we'd all get together, philosophical conversations, movie conversations. We'd go to see movies and, you know, go out afterwards and drink and talk about it, debate it, get into it and all that kind of fun stuff. And so when this career of mine started taking off, after a Christian had kind of introduced me into the space, I remember the time I was hosting a bunch of the after shows at collider as a freelancer and then hosting my own stuff, and top ten had already started to happen and I think I was doing the Ury looenthal one as well. So at a party randomly, when we all got together some party we were all at, Steve came out to me and he's like Hey, man, you know, be fun to do a pick a podcast with you. As like yeah, I'm just so I'm so busy with all the stuff. I don't know, and he's like well, and our friend Jonathan Blue, who's not married to sorry you blue, and sorry it was a you know, because you know, up becoming actress or famous actress, she's been leading, she was the leading, I feel, add on NBC and then, Oh yeah, she was also a coups's Indian actress,...

...a couple other things. Indian descent right now from India, with Indian set. And so we were reas going to call it. We kicked around. The idea was to me, which is a playful idea, like we kicked on an idea of calling it I don't know, what do you think? That was going to be the name, because like that's the game we would play with each other. We'd all hang out and talk about movies. We'd always end whatever diet tribe or soliloque are Amala we were on about film and end it with I don't know, what do you think? And and that's the kind of and so we kind of talked about the possibility of it. Well, blue kind of fell off. He is doing his own thing, and then Steve kind of reached out to me one day and said, Hey, man, I'm really still like to do this. If I pay for everything and set everything up and kind of be the person who is hosting it, would you be willing to do the show? And I go I'd be happy to do the show, as long as you understand it's fifty and we and I don't have to do any of the technical stuff. I don't want to pay to put it on Itunes, I don't want you know, this is what you want to do, I will happily cohost it and bring my mask, my audience. I don't say massive because it terms of a Twentyzero, but I'll bring my audience to this and we'll see if we can work, you know. And so that's how it started. Let's essentially how it started. I hope he told the same story because that's how I remember it. will fact check it later. Yeah, feel free, but yeah, I mean that's exactly how I remember. It happened again, marveling begging him for for a shot to yeah, right, maybe bay. Yeah, exactly. No, I mean, and Steve Wasn't and Steve Didn' Beggar. I think he just he was just he just wanted to do a show. I mean, I think Steve was in a place where's like I wanted something to talk about movies, because he loves movies as much as all of us do, you know. And so it was a great idea. And, Dude, I don't I had no idea it was gonna become when it became. and I tried to walk away from it a couple of times because I just become frustrated. I don't know if you know this, you wot me, Mike, but I like to run my own things, and so when I don't want my own things, I become very agitated. I'd become very like paranoid or suspicious or whatever, and so I become, you know, I just start to get antsy if I don't run my own thing, you know. So that's why the outline, I should runs through me. It all runs through me and I just prefer it that way for my own sanity. So, yeah, I get it, I I do get it. I am a control freak. said that, I didn't say that we should. I said I'm a control for okay, I yeah, I like to know what's going on and and I like to make sure that, when it's something I'm involved in, that it's going the way I wanted to go. Yeah, right, I. It's why I make my own so I direct my own short films. It's like you want to be in rain. It's yeah, I'd rather, I'd rather run the show myself, and I have a hard time. Let's probably another reason why I wouldn't have made it in the military. It's like I would get issued in order and be like well, I don't know about that, or really, yeah, are it comes again. What do you got to say now? Yeah, it would basically be that. Yeah, I'd yeah, I'd be, I'd be some weird combination of Gomer of private pile and whatever, rich mayonnaise and Mayo, yeah, Maya, yeah, right, right. Gentleman has to go. Yeah, Steven Jashan, I work at I swear we run that movie every month. I've seen that movie more really anything. Yeah, God forbid, God forbid we get a syndicated version of like the dark night or something that we get one of the longest freaking dry. And it's a good movie, but driest military movies. Yeah, on the face get fired, but so. And then there's the Geek Buddies, which is which is you in my boot and and Shannon and and you know, you're wearing a superman tshirt right now. You've, I see star wars something or whatever over you're shorter there. So it was around. You know you're a geek and it's one of those, you know, where we see your persona a lot of things. It's a lot of people wouldn't immediately think Geek right off the bat. Yeah, and and how much has like that Geek that Geek culture like been a part of your life, like your whole life? Like when did that? Well, yeah, I mean in front the vigain. Did I see it beat up in, you know, Middle School, high school all the time, up for like in the geeky stuff, for being into the nerdy stuff. And you know, wasn't cool when I was growing up. It's cool now. Wasn't cool when I was going here. Well, yeah, I think so. There's rule the world now, for better or worse. I yeah, I mean for me at the time it was something you hit away, you know, it's purposely. It's why I never got into dd because I was like, if I get into this, I'll get my ass picked all the time and blah, blah, blah. And so I stayed away from it all. And now it's all cool and not. People of DD parties, you know, all the hips people love to do RPG stuff. You...

...know, at that time you didn't do that. You know, I you know, I envy the people that do it. Now I'm like, I wish that had been a cool thing for me to do back then, but it wasn't. So, yeah, you get into it. It's never too late, I guess. I guess. Well, you also need to have at least a three hour a week, which it like you just don't as yeah, and so like, yeah, it was. But you know, the irony thing is this, like I had to adjust my life at fifteen years old because I was getting my ass kicked all the time and I was just frustrated and tired of it. And my I don't remember one time getting chased out of the soccer practice by these two older dudes who just laughed their motherfucking ass up at me, running and crying because I didn't want him to beat me up anymore and my coach did fucking fuck all and it was probably why I part. He probably was friends with the Dudes Dad's and thought it was funny to watch the little Tino kid getting chased out of soccer practice by his two white fucking buddies. So for me or his buddies kids. So for me, that was the moment that I you know, I remember going home. I remember I think it was. I think it was the fact that I went, because those guys bullied me for like two or three years and I don't know Alan Stevens and Wade where. That's their fucking names in Virginia. I I don't give a rats ass if anybody hears it, but like those guys were such complete fucking assholes to me through high school and Middle School and I remember one time I used to go pick up my sister from elementary school and I remember one time they were waiting for me behind one of the shorts. I would take the short cut through the residential areas, that of those I'd walk and I remember them waiting behind one of the fences because they had I guess. I guess they've been scoping me out taking the shortcuts. Could pick up my six because I picked up almost every day from elementary school. And I remember I come around the corner one day and way to stand there and I'm like fuck me, and I'm just like hey, man, and I'm just trying to walk past him and they like move in front of me and I'm like Shit, and I'm like listen, I'm just I don't want to trouble man, just picking up. I'm just going to pick up my sister and before I could finish the sentence, he cocked me so fucking hard in the eye sent me right down to the ground, man, for no reason, I mean no fucking reason. I was just a fat, Tubby Latino Kid with a bowl haircut and that's why. And so I remember, you know, them kicking me a couple of times and then just me lying there in the fucking fetal position, just covering my eyes and covering my face and cover my bun, trying to cover my body, and then they walked away and I got up and I remember I still had to go pick up my sister. I could not go home and just like take care of my injuries. I had to go pick up my sister. So I remember walking there to the element school and I remember as soon as I got close to my sister, she just burst out crying because she was so like horrified at the Welt and my on my eye and just then the dirt on my clothes and the look of me, and so she was just like, what happened? What happened? I said, you know, those guys beat me up again. I don't know what to do and walked all the way home. My sister cried all the way home, she's such a sweetheart. All the way home and I remember I went into the wait for my dad come home and we sat down at dinner and he I told him what happen because he saw and I told him what happened and I said, Dad, I don't want to want to feel this way anymore. I don't want to feel this way anymore. I know you don't want me to fight, I know you don't want me to throw hands because you had bad experiences, but in this country, Dad, you gotta fight. You got to figure out how to fight. So summer is coming. I know that I can't take another semester of this. So whatever it takes, I need you to help me and I used to encourage me to do it and so, to my dad's credit, we went to fucking Kamart, got myself a ten speed bike and we got a set of cheapass Russell athletic weights, red, white and blue plastic with concrete blocks inside them, and and just started and I spent that whole summer working out like you couldn't tell me what to do. I would do sit ups under the armoire with the Chester drawers of the towel put under my toes and I would do sit up still there were blisters on the top of my toes. I would just keep doing it and doing it and I had a proclivity like I could do it. It wasn't something was difficult to me because my dad had been a weight build, a weightlifter and Argentina. So like kind of those genes kind of passed on to me, and so my body reacted quickly to the working out and it was great. And so when I came back to call high school that semester, the same guy, Allen Stevens, trying to fuck with me. We're a gym class first semester, first day back at school, did our gym class. We're all standing alone to leave waiting for the Ding of the bell, and he starts to push me from behind, like to go through the door, and it's like will come on, roll come. I was like the bell hasn't wrung. He's like, come on, we'll come on, and so I spun around and I threw my elbow, my forearm rather, into his fucking neck and push him against the wall and I said you're never fucking touching me again. Those days are done. I will fucking kill you in front of everybody here. And I remember this this black kid who's was Jesse sock, and remember Jesse's last name. But Jesse was like, Oh shit, like I just went and I was like all shit, and I told Alan, I said you can tell way to you. Guys are never fucking touching me again, because I had I had built out, you know, I had built...

...out, and it was just like it felt so good to be able to tell the bully like fuck you. And so my whole life I've been trying to tell the bully fuck you. You know, it's kind of been my thing. And so yeah, and from that point forward I kind of stayed a geek, but I also kind of explored you know, working out, I went on dates, I had sex, I was doing stuff in high school that I never thought I was going to be able to do, and all because I started working out and it radiated confidence, you know. And so thing I got. I got my first plays when I was a fifteen, sixteen years old. So all of that, I just all blossomed out of this situation where I felt like I didn't want to get beat up for the rest of my life. And so for that reason, I think people see me and they don't think Geek, they think jock or they think, you know, overt to and also the military stuff. So they don't necessarily think Geek. But I am just as Geek as any fucking person who's never lifted away he's got at me or is got like, you know, stringy hair or whatever. I'm just as much of a geek. I just have a different approach to it and that is caused, you know, it's caused me sometimes to not get certain jobs or people don't ask me to be part of their shows because I don't necessarily radiate it. So it's just kind of the game now, and so that's why I built my own channel, because I know what I can do and I know what I can talk about and I like bringing people in who do that as well. So yeah, and you know we do, we mentioned earlier on. Nowadays, you know, Geeks are kind of sexy nowadays. I mean look at look at Joe Meganello. Right, right, right, my golden rule example. You know Marygara. First of all, screw, you know, we get it, shoutout then, but he's going to, you know, the children's hospitals with the the DD starter kits and yeah, right, which is great love. And I know, I know he and Sophie of talked where he like, he has a he has a d d room downstairs and the big show comes and plays. I love that. The big show plays DD. That's my yeah, those massive hands with a little d twenty in it then, yeah, right, but yeah, it is. It is that kind of world now where we're starting to see where these people who we've seen, as you know, the you know, the cool, goodlooking people again, you know me La Kunis is play and grave chap play world of warcraft and I we like you wouldn't believe, and we're seeing a lot more of that come out now. It's cool. It is cool now. Hate I still hate the big bank theory, but is cool. It's not a geek show. I don't care what you don't mess you don't cross streams of the Geekdom and expect to get away with it with real geeks at that show was just for fun for people who are middle of the road geeks or who only think these guys are funny to watch. It's not a real geek show. It's such a it's such a caricature of what Geeks are, because every yes on the show's a geek. Is the most socially inept you could ever imagine. It's like I know people who are way geekier than that. WHO gives linke way more than I do? Because that the metric. Apparently. It's confidence, man. It's the number one thing. It's the key to it all, is confidence, man. Everything after that is is ancelary. And I know what people it's like. Oh well, you know, I've been confident before, is it? You gotta not care if you get it or not because you've got something else outside of it. That's confidence. Like you know, you walk into a room. Damn right, I deserved to be here. Damn right, deserved to be in this room. Damn Rod deserved eyes on me. Those those things you have to develop over time, you know. And so just it's all. Everyone's got their own journey to get there, that's for sure. And there's also that fine line between confidence and arrogance. Now, of course, of course, so easy to step over. Yeah, well, you can't when you confuse one for the other. Yes, absolutely. So now we get into now we get into and I'd be remiss if we didn't, if we didn't spend a couple minutes just, yeah, talk about the movie Trivia Schmo down. You know, it's how I was introduced to you initially, that in the flash after show. Oh Yeah, Oh, wow, you watch that? Holy Shit, man, all right, I don't been I've been around a minute. That's all right. Respect. And you know, Christian harloff comes to you and said doing a wrestling sque movie trivia show. Yeah, I don't know how. Yeah, it just just what what? Like you you hear this? What are your thoughts going into it? Had you know? Was it instantly like a hell, yes, was it? Was it skepticism? Like what was that initial reaction? Oh, pure unadulterated excitement, pure unadulterated excitement. I couldn't wait to do it. I couldn't wait to compete a could wait to show what I can do. I was so excited to do it and when he said I need to hear deal, I was even more excited to do it because he said no one's going to understand what I need. You get it. You were professional wrestling guy, you get it, and so I was like, yeah, what do you need? Is it? Well, I want I want to... this, this and this, and so I was like great, yeah, let's do it. I've got an idea for a character. He's like, yeah, I want someone who's like outside the realm and well cut. We will fight to the end of our days of who came up with the outlaw. I believe I came up with it heat he says he came up with it, but the general overall structure of it, we both came up with. The costume, I came up with but yes, that's how it all and it was all during conversation over the phone and I remember, and people can go back and look on my social media all the way back around this time, and there's a picture of me with the hat on and Nwo Shirton. It says the outlaws coming and it was for Stmo down thing, and so I was like that was the beginning of the of all of that. But yeah, it was. You know, as soon as he came to me, because Christ had always been good at kind of guiding me through this thing. I didn't always listen to him and you know, because I got my I got to walk my own path, but he was always good at presenting these possibilities of these opportunities for me. So that was certainly one of them that I was excited to jump into and I had no, no idea where it was going to go. But credit to Christian, from the beginning almost he said, if this thing takes off, you're going to get a shit ton of followers, you're going to get like people, attention, Blah Blah. Trust me, it's going to come, but you've got to win and you've got to, you know, win a title and you've got to get in this situation where people and so it was all of that and you know he was absolutely right about that. I mean, my my followers absolutely blew up after I got this about on and collider, like the Combo, both really kind of elevated where I'm at now. So get a hard work on both sides, hard work on both sides. So yeah, and you've, you know, going through just going through that that history, you know, with MMM winning those belts. You know, people saying who's the angry guy in the VIV Vandetta mask? You why? Want? Why to him and Scott Man's have such a crazy rivalry? Yeah, man, got a love. I Love Scott Man's and I we were joking with Steve last time about how one of my one of my favorite episodes, of course, is the blade runner episode was yeah, I said, except for the fact that I have to keep my hand on the volume dial at all times because as soon as Scott starts talking I have to turn it down a little bit. But and then you get into you go going through the Shmowe down and then the live event start taking off. Yeah, and then, of course, the everyone knows, the gift of Rocca winning the title and the Chalk and surprise was that? Was that famed? was that genuine, like, oh my God, you kidding? Yeah, absolutely genuine. I had no idea who directed the BURBS. So at a time I didn't know if Dan was right and look, he's the greatest of all time. So in my mind I was like wow, maybe he's got it right, you know. And so when he said it, I was just like hush, is that right? So I just had my arms folded and I waited for Christian to say the name. And when he said and you went and he said the outlaw, I completely lost it because, you know, look, everyone said I was going to lose. He's the unbeatable Dan Merl he beat Mark Ellis, Clark, Wolf, Mark Raid, made mincemeat of everybody he played. I needed that Mike Tyson thing where he beat you and then go over and lift your hand up and hug you and you know, he did the thing, you know, and so I was determined not to have that. Is before Dan I became friends, right. So for me Dan was a screen chunckey's entity, right, and I remember that day Dan was like super late to the taping and I was deep into meditating at the time. And remember that was also the time where I had I think I just attempted suit, or tried to attempt to attempted suicide earlier. That ryere right, because I beat Riley to have the opportunity again I'd beat Riley a second time to have that opportunity against Dan after he had beaten Marqu Ellis, and I I was deep into my meditation stuff that I'd lost a shit ton of weight because of my depression. So like I was in the best looking shape of my life and mentally I was in a good place as well, because I was recovering from that and working my way through it and meditating. So when Dan was late, all I did was going on the couch, lay down on the oather couches that they had a time at collider at the old office, and I put a jacket over my my face and I just started doing my meditation. I put on my headphones and I started listening to my meditation exercises. That the meditation podcast, which is a great podcast. They do guided meditation, which I like, and so they was just getting me in the rights. So I know, no point was I ever intimidated by Dan that day and everyone's spect to me to lose. So I had another to lose. So I walked into that match and I just was as relaxed as I could be and went tototoell of them and yes, I had a couple of outbursts or whatever, but I always played with passion. That's nothing new to trust me, that's nothing. So, but it was just like it was all and then when it happened, I was just so shocked. Of course Babes runs up as the hug because he was a horseman at the time, but...

...he didn't eat, but he didn't miss the opportunity to say yes about himself hugging me. So, you know, I did make it about himself, as he tends to do. And and but I remember feeling very gracious to Dan for having played me, and that's when I did to Dan what he did other people. I went over and picked him up by his hand and shook him and gave him the hug and it was nice. And then I grabbed that belt and fucking lost it, you know. And so it was in an incredible moment. And you know, when you spend a year agoing after something and it actually happens for you, it was the first moment I felt like this was a sports league, you know. You you see so many teams who lose it in the final game the year before and it motivate like the chiefs just did. Right. They lost in that AFC championship. Get the Patriots next year. They come back and they win the Super Bowl. It just gives you motivation and fuel. So yeah, so, yeah, it was totally authentic, totally shocking that I won and it was a great day. It was a great day. And now all this time later and growing up for where, you know, but when this episode drops, will be just a couple hours away from a big match again. Yeah, Erwin. Yeah, and I am scraping to remember. Have you guys faced before? Ethan Irwin? Yeah, he beat me for the title. Oh, that what that was, Ethan. Yeah, it took the title off me, Bro Right, and then I lost the triple threat to him and BIBS. I was the first one knocked out. So and you know, we just did a thing on twitch and he's very confident that he's going to twice, so I just think it's gonna Happen Again, and so I love that. I love it. He hasn't been around in a minute. Yeah, well, he lost it. Well, beat Snyder after side. I couldn't get his five pointer and so he was ready. And so, you know, he says it's been studying animation, looking at stuff, and you know, I never know what to expect from Ethan. So I'm just focusing on me. Man. If I can feel comfortable relaxed like I did against Dan, if I can go into the match against Ethan very relaxed, very like Zen, I think I'm going to do fine and I have a chance to win. If I go in over hyped or unconfident, like I did in the last two matches against him, I'm going to flame out and lose. That's just how it works, and so I just have a quiet, small little belief inside me that I've got what it takes to beat him this time, and we'll see if that happens. It reminds me of you're mentioning the meditation prior to the day, manage, of there was a there was an image. I don't remember it was Riley or Wendy who posted it, but it was a picture of you backstage sitting that cross legged on the floor. Oh Yeah, I'm mad, the hat on and just completely in your own space. And Yeah, to me that ringe true. Of You know that's where you need to be. Thank you, man John. I could talk to you all day. I know you're a you're a busy, busy guy. You know. We'll wrap this up here with justic. You know, just want to just want to talk to you real quick about just you know, we've talked. We've talked to the career and we have talked. We talked the home life. Look from from from from the youth, and then the home life now, you know, you looked where you come and you and and so you're living in Los Angeles with your girlfriend of how long now? It'll be two years, August eleven. And how's that going? That's going really well. I'm very happy. She's so great, so supportive. We have the best of time together. And Yeah, I mean, you know, we're both prickly, we're both Alpha's, but we also love each other and we bust balls and we have we just we just have fun, man, and we spend so much time together because she's an introvert, and yet we're never really fucking bored with each other, you know, and the affections always there, the desire to be around each other as always there. So to me, it's it's what I've been waiting for my entire life. So and it's easy and it's organic and it's natural and I never felt this way for anybody and it is it's even weird to say it ever felt this way for anybody, because it's like it just seems so natural that it you can't even put it in the same terms. That belong in the same universe. You know, it's just its own thing and I love them and she there are there ever moments because you know you are you know to to be in the creative space like you are. Yeah, we can sometimes become a little insufferable. I'm fully aware of the fact how much I piss my family off. I tell them nobody comes to nobody come downstairs, nobody, nobody goes through this door. Stay the hell. Often Netflix. I swear to God, I need the Internet. Do you ever? Do you ever feel the I rolls burning into the back of your head at all? Or is she very cool with all that? Oh No, she'll tell me she doesn't. She doesn't like sit on it and still want it. No, she'll say, well, we actually we were joking about the yesterday a Brunch, because she was talking about except saying to her, like we're talking about my old exgirlfriends, to say I don't randomly came up a conversation because I've...

...had some terrible, terrible exgovern and I just said to ourself, I guess I seem to always seem to choose introverts. I don't like extroverts as girl friends. I think they're great people, women who are extraverts, but I just don't like and she's like yeah, because you want the spotlight to be on you, and I was like no, no, I think she goes. Well, how many times, how many minutes do you think we talked about you a day or a week? And I said, I said, it's a lot, and you know why? Because it's usually seventy five percent of you telling me all the things I'm doing wrong. So, therefore I am the focus of this guy, am the focus of our conversations because that you had. So it was very, very funny and both and she laughed at it and she was like how I maybe you're ready. It's it's like, you know. So we do spend time talking about my stuff because of you know, because I do. I do seek her counsel and I respect her counsel so much, I really do, and she's someone I turned to first to get advice about anything. I trust her. That much and by the same token, I think once she fully dives into this photography job, we are going to have conversations about her career and what she wants to do and Blah, Blah Blah, and so those are the situations that are going to come up when we start to make her the focus of our conversations, because I want help to help her get her stuff off the ground and become successful doing what she's doing, become happy doing what she's doing. It's really the most important thing is, as terrible as these days can be, an exhausting as they can be, I'm happy doing it, you know, and that's kind of important for me personally that that really is the key and that's that's what led to the start of this show even is because the show beforehand, and you know, we're running our on podcast network, it got to the point where it's not being fun and it just felt like work. HMM. And and that point, at that point when it just feels like work, if I want to do that, I'll just go to my job right, right, right, right, exactly, and I don't do that. And I agree. John Roka, you are always, you know, absolute pleasure to talk to. Thank you you're a pleasure to have on the MIC and on camera. I'm always excited to see what you're going to be up to next. Thanks. I'm so grateful that you've let me come along for the ride, as in the way that I have with the outlaw nation and with top ten. Yeah, I've gone from calling you someone that I admire and respect to calling you a friend. I'm very grateful for that and I'm grateful that you took time out of your ridiculously busy I'm on today too, for our season finale especially. I cannot tell you how much I appreciate it. Dude, it's my honor. Honestly, man, I've grown to enjoy your company and your friendship, brother, so I can't thank you enough all the work you're doing on that ultimate smodown show and handling all things and bringing in Mina as a new addition to the show. It's been fantastic see you build that thing out, and it's been you know, when you attach your name to something, you hope that people who see you attach your name something step up to the plate and really kind of, you know, give their best effort, and we're seeing that in the ultimate mode show. I see it in the La Nation, the facebook page, I see it in the top ten stuff you do for us. So I mean honestly overall, just like I'm very happy that we are in each other's lives and I appreciate it, and so is my joy to be on here. Is a season for a season finale, and there's more to come. Hopefully there's more to come. You will be back. I just I just iven I need a break. I'm freaking tired. I haven't had an occasion yet month to myself. Fair enough. There's that. Like you know anymore. I'm supposed to be camping right now. Oh, supposed to be. It's a long story, but let's just say the camping trip got canceled because coronavirus. However, and every show is I spend an hour pegging you with questions, so I'm give you an opportunity to ask me one question before we leave here. Damn. Still level the playing field a little bit. Mm One question of Mike Shay m. So we're always get what you do. You have a vision for your final goal? I have a I see you in twenty different places. Yeah, I know, I'm where is your actual vision and do you have the balls or guts for the ladies are listening, to go after. I do have an endgame of sorts. It's been in the last year and part this show was part of forming that, HM, because I was tired of putting all my effort into my own like, like again with the podcast network, I was running my own show, but I was also trying to keep six other ones afloat right and in the last year, you know, in the last in the last two years, I have directed, a written and directed a short film to winning two awards. I have made more headway as...

...far as what I like, as far as like my writing. Yeah, I've learned to prioritize a little bit better. Is What it comes down to. The the end goal for me, I know, lies as as or as a screenwriter, pretty director. Those are the three things I enjoy the most. That's why I've moved away from acting, as I find myself with with the short film in particular. You know, prior to that I had made several but I was always writing, directing, acting, editing news and and when I finally just sat back and let myself just steer the ship, yeah, and surround myself with people that I could trust. I found myself a lot happier, and so right now the current goal is just to kind of similar to you, is get my get my foundation laid. Yeah, head out West and and make an honest make an honest career out of out of the writing in the producing there you go. I love it. But that's a that's a great usually, I usually I just get stupid shit, like what's your favorite color, or or like that's your dream? What it's? Steve Ask I know he didn't ask what your favorite called it. What it is? He asked. Damn, he asked Philosophical Guy Man. Oh yeah, he asked me about because he because we mentioned that I do stand up. So he was asking me about what I saw as the future of stand up, hope, Post Corona. Like how, boy, how is it going to continue on, to which I said we we're still trying to figure that out. Yeah, you know, we're opening clubs back up and limited capacity, but it's just it's the protocols. You know, you got a microphone being handled off by five, ten people in a night and it's just it's it's hard to say because unlike, unlike music, where you can practice the guitar, our for an hour a day. And Yeah, Master Guitar Player, you don't know what works in comedy until you do it in front of an audience. Right, right, you need that instant feedback, so I don't disagree. Yeah, man, John Rope, when you got your match dropping later tonight, wouldn't show drops against Ethan Irwin. You've got all kinds of crazy programming going on on the outlaw nation youtube channel as well top ten show and the cinephiles. Let's just if the people wanted to find you somewhere online, where can they go? At the Roca says, is always the best place to go. Our OCCHA says, come find me and and all my iterations. They're and you know, come into my youtube channel as well. Youtubecomas, the Roca says, or John Rocca says rather. That's the way to go about getting to see where I'm at. So everything is there, everything hinges there. There you go. Everybody. Follow him on twitter, Instagram, wait for what he does. Occasionally Post on their youtube. Watch him in the SCHMO down check out the Geek Buddies, the centephiles, to top ten show, all of it. And John Rocco, we look forward to what you do next man. Thank you, Mike. All right, John, have a good one and we'll talk to you sume buddy. Take care. Well, guys. That is going to do it for this episode of the Basement Lounge. That I'll do it for this episode and for this season. Season One of the basement lounge as finally come to a close, and I have never been more proud of this show that I have been lately. Yes, the last few weeks have been absolutely trying, pushing me to the brink of contemplating quitting this whole thing. Frustration can push you to a weird place, into a weird mindset. Stress can take you to places you didn't think you could possibly go. But what it all quiets down and when you come back to all all of this in the end, once your emotions have balanced back out and you realize what a g eight thing, what a fun and wonderful thing it is you're creating every week for all of you, it makes it all worth it. All the headaches, all the head scratches, all the late nights, it's all worth it. And so that's why I continue to do this show, that's why I continue to make content, that's why I continue to be all over the place, like we just talked about with John. I'm in twenty different places. I do a lot of things because I'm trying to lay that foundation. I'm trying to make a career in the creative in the creative arts in some way as a writer or producer, as a host. I just love creating. Even if one day the career takes off as a screenwriter or director, I'll always have a podcast because I love doing this and I love being able to talk one on one with our guests and talk one on one with all of you. The show wouldn't exist without all of you. So thank you for a great, wonderful first fifty episodes. Were great first season. We will be back... September for season two with some new changes, some new things going on with the show. As I burpen of the microphone during my big, huge sign off, we will be back and will be better than ever and I hope you guys will stick around. Remember we're still going to be doing our live streams on Wednesdays and Fridays on twitch. Will still be around, just taking a break for for a month so I can rest. Will be back. I hope you guys be back with us. In the meantime, tell your friends invite them in. The basement lounge is a place for everybody. Everyone's welcome here. The basement lounge is a place to have a conversation, have a drink and have fun, to find friendship, to find Brotherhood, to find togetherness. That's why we're here. You guys are as much a part of this show as I am, and so thank you. And, with that being said, as always, live well, rock on, take care and.

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