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Season 1, Episode 8 · 2 years ago

"I've Mastered the Art of Killing My Darlings" with Travis Diffenderfer - EP #8

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Travis Diffenderfer, showrunner for the podcast 'Dead Sirius', stops by to relish in the newfound success of his show.


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...with all these characters in the world and like stories and whatnot, but I could never like, I don't know, find the patients to just sit down and write the thing, because I've always been somebody who like wants to have a tangible version of what I'm making, because most of my focus has been and short films and some audio production, which is how we met in the first place. was like radio in college. But jump forward to now, after the concept has been sitting on a desk somewhere for like years, and I I'm in this point where I'm like reevaluating things. I'm trying to do scriptwriting and like get my feet when in the industry out here, and I was re evaluating the what's it called, got platform, I guess, for some of my stories and some of my things, and I landed on this weird, crazy little idea of podcast, because if you've listened to the show, you have heard the first season and the first three episodes of that show I had already written years ago as the first three chapters of a book. All that I did was change the word, like change the wordings that it was audio journals instead of regular old written journals. So it was this weird little evolution thing, but the idea was like one that embedded itself in my head, because what's funnier than a Zombie who's like totally regretting his choices of because coming on dead. So this sort of how it came to be, and that's kind of the general premise of the show is it's about the Zombie apocalypse and a gentleman who threw some occult Shenanigans turns himself into a sentient Zombie of sorts, walking, talking corpse. Yeah, and it's a it's a show filled with magic and humor and and black ops and it's it's crazy how many different elements you have lumped into this one show with that. But it also doesn't feel overcrowded, I guess. Yeah, I I would agree with you, which honestly, I'm surprised by. I think it was just how many, excuse me, how many years of like forethought I had already had behind this thing that like sort of is what has done it, because I don't know. They always say one of the General Rules is that you can only have one kind of magic in a story, but I think it's all sort of threaded under one magical concept. I guess where this is like more bigger world things that you're probably not going to really get into in the dead serious story. Maybe some of the side things and whatnot that magic has always been around and right in front of our faces, like witchcraft books in random occult shops and everything. They they are real, they're effective, some of them, and the the more powerful people within this world of dead serious, they they are using the magic and everything and witchcraft and sorcery to get what they have. So it's like the top one percent of the world are controlling a hundred percent of the power of the world and they like that. The rest of the general population and stuff doesn't understand magic because it keeps them separated and powerful and everyone else is like their little palms to do what they please...

...with. And that's what I'm assuming everyone who's listening to this has listened to dead serious. So I'm going to give some spoilers and if you haven't listened yet, then pause this episode, go listen, then come back, so it'll tell you like an hour. Listen to season one like that. It's very short. It's a different format, but the government conspiracy side of that really kind of loops lumps in well with that kind of thought in mind, because the experiment that is, you know, the world that they're living in and everything is very much like the greater, more powerful entities of the world playing with their little ponds who don't fully understand and they're kind of coming to terms with some of their pawns know and aren't completely controllable, and it's sort of like watching the the most powerful entities of the world kind of come to terms with the fact that, oh no, maybe our pawns are more than just pawns. So and your character is sort of the representative for everyone who has that one percenter of mentality. He's such a silk, he's such it's amazing to me, and I'm by no means a one percenter. And but with that aside, it's always amazing to me how much my character and I have in common besides our first name. And every time Travis sends me some new detail he's written about my character. I'm like, Oh yeah, I can wait to that a hundred percent because I have something going on in my life mirroring that. And he's always just kind of like a sort of God. I'm not doing this on purpose, but it kind of feels like you are. It's just the circumstances of his job aligns with the things that you do so well, because he's just master control. Yeah, kind of heat. He his work environment is so reminiscent of my own. It's it's kind of upsetting, to be honest with you, but you other than just me. You've got a wild cast of characters and talent on this show. We had Arthur Romeo on here a couple weeks ago. Fucking Dude, man, that guys Jesus. How do we are? How did you find this guy? So when I moved out here to la which was all fiasco in and of itself, I'm trying to like get into the creative world's out here because I just whatever is up with my brain. I can't sit still so um and it was like as soon as I got here I started trying to find my ways in. Found this La comedy seeing facebook page, I think you might have helped direct me to that, but Um, they're I just was like putting together the concept of the show. I was talking to you about it and putting all those pieces together and I put this weird little like casting feeler out there on this facebook page after we had already like gotten through most of the first season of stuff, because I knew the characters, I knew where I was going. So I put this feeler out there and Arthur happened to be like the second person to respond to the thing and immediately he sends me his voice real and it's amazing. Like the diversity of characters that he has in this thing is freaking insane. So I'm like, okay, of course I have to have this guy. He did one of the harder voices that I needed for the show in his real which is a character called the mole, who I will not talk about until the next season comes out, but October fourteen will be able to talk about it and you'll understand the talent that is Arthur Romeo. But like the second time I talked to him, we talked on the phone and he just straight up recited that scene from the...

Lion King. It was unreal. I just can't fathom that. That guy's talent and he's such a fucking gem that we are so lucky to have. It's UN can't. I mean just having him on on this show couple weeks ago was, hmm, Hey, just it was probably just the best episode of the show ever. Some Nice No, and not at not a shot at anybody else I've had on the show, but if you haven't listened to that one, Oh man, I mean he comes right in off the bat, pulling out for five different characters without even me prompting into and it's so seamless the way he is able to transition back and forth as while it's crazy. And then we've got Catherine Duncan, plays the role of Naomi. Yeah, Catherinson, awesome, awesome person. How did you know? Did you have a prior did you know her from before, or did you meet her through doing this? Yeah, we we met when I was living in Charleston and I'm just like your friends and stuff. We got along because she was like you acting, I'm going to move to La and I was like, okay, cool, well, that's sort of similar goals. So we have been friends for several years now. She moved to La similar timing as me, and when we were putting this thing together, it just didn't click in my head like, oh, we should immediately go to Catherine because she's a really busy person, works like five jobs or something, and you know, I'm like, we're an hour separate. So it just like didn't click in my head and through some crazy random circumstances, we were in the time pinch. We needed someone to fill the role. I approached Catherine because she's got it. She has an excellent voice, she is always wanted to be an actress and she has knocked it out of the park with Naomi, like beyond anything that I could have like expected for the character. I had one idea for what I wanted Naomi to be and she took it a totally different direction. But I love the hell out of it. And what's cool about working with Catherine is she puts so much work into the character and like perfecting how she says everything that it makes things so easy for me. She came to our first recording session and she had like this list of fifty interesting facts about Naomi sky and like her backstory and like down to what kind of face cream she uses every day and kind of music she likes to listen to, her star sign and everything, and I was like, God, you are perfect to really tear into this character's head because Naomi, she's gonna get a lot more interesting as things go on. She's already very interesting because she's the only witch in the entirety of this area. But, like, her mental state is fragile. I'll leave it at that. So it's going to be interesting to see what she does, because she brings a whole level of or thought to her character that I wish everyone would do. That's why, all right, well, fuck you too, hey man. You don't need to come up with backstory because it's yours. It's true, and and you're going to be introducing some new characters and season two seasons. He was coming up here in October. Yeah, we teased one earlier. We won't go into any detail about any any anything from season two you'd feel okay telling people about now, or is everything pretty tight under wraps all? I'll be as general about...

...season two as I can because I think a lot of the cast members have been excited and posting that they're in it, but no one has shared character details but the whole point of season two is understanding the greater world of the Dome and the other people who live inside of the zone. Um, so it's it's going to be a different season than the first one in a lot of respects because you don't have near as much serious or near as much NAIOMI. But we have this. This is a crazy number. We are introducing one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, seven characters next season. He's over the course of ten episodes who are ten minutes or less. It's it's a daunting thing. I like to think I did it gracefully. We will see, but Um, yeah, we it's season two is going to be very much setting up some really big events and things through understanding who else we're dealing with here in the dome. So I think that's I think that's actually a really clever way to take to look at it, because if you look at a lot of to television shows that are plot centric like this, be it a superhero show or just the regular drama show, that tends to be how a lot of it goes like that. First season is like here are here's your main set of core characters, here's what they're about and it's kind of them coming to terms of the world they're in and season two is taking that character and really throwing them into the and throwing them into the fire and entured and building that world out. So I guess we just say season two is going to have a lot of world building. Yeah, I'd say, yeah, it's that's actually really fair. It's not traditional world building. I guess it's more is. Yes, there are some things that you that are going to be very impactful on the greater world as we understand it, but they're for the most part it's going to be like a bunch of character studies of like, I don't I don't really know how to phrase this, but like the seven that we have teased in the last episode of season one where they go through the list, you know, the Zombie, the which the mall, I don't want to name the others. The seven are who you're going to see and those are the people who have peaked the interest of the the watchers. So it's more like understanding different tactics, I guess, of survival and looking at a few different ways that people could have gotten up to this point of like one year into the Zombie Apocalypse. They're still alive and they have very clear defined goals moving forward, each and every one of them, and like understanding that for the most part, those goals ain't going to Mesh too well. So, yeah, and you've had a hell of a launch from season one to beat, you getting a five having an overall five star rating on apple podcast being featured on a couple different lists on apple podcasts in in just in just what? Six, seven weeks? Yeah, it was, it's it doesn't it's not even that long, because it's only been five weeks we launched. We last month on the...

Nineteen S, so a month and five days and it's the the listeners stats are are crazy and the attention what's been passing. One hundred and eleven total plays. That's nuts. In five weeks. That is nuts. That is much more than I ever really would have thought for this little for a brand to a brand new podcast. Again, sorry for yawning. That again only clocks at at about an hour. Damn. mean, it's super short, but over over ten episodes, that's that's that's that's crazy. And Yeah, the it seems like the the listener response has been great. You recently did a Tshirt promotional campaign then yeah, it's actually still going for a few more days. What's that? The last day for this little promotion thing is on the thirty. So yeah, you have a little bit more time if you hear this and you want to get a shirt, because we're doing a smaller version of a crowdfunding thing, because I know not everyone has a ton of money, but we I wanted to find a way to give people a little bit more of something as far as crowdfunding goes, because I am really busy for like the foreseeable future of both working on dead serious working a full time job, as well as going back to school to finish up my degree. So I'm busy. I have a lot going on, but I really want this show to continue to grow and get better and I also wanted to find a way to like, I don't know, give gives something and exchange for anyone who was willing to put any money on the line to help us do that. So I found this thing through custom ink that lets us put together a limited edition t shirt that you can go buy and the money from that goes directly back to helping the show. As as much as I would love to have the time to like really sit down and do like a full patreon where I'm giving you guys all kinds of extra crazy content and stuff. I don't personally have the ability to do that for another little while. I'll get there, but right now, when we are experiencing this ridiculous growth, I wanted to be able to give something an exchange for crowd funding, and this seemed like the best possible way. It's so people get a t shirt and we get some money to grow the show. And we've sold eight so far and we've raised roughly two hundred and something dollars to play with, and that's great. I mean, yeah, people. I think people are often surprised until they do it for themselves and they realize how much a little can go a long way, whether it's as simple as leaving a rating in a review on a podcast or buying a shirt. It little things like that make a much bigger difference than they probably realize. It really help. It helps keep my website up and growing. It helps just give us all the materials that we need to continue producing this thing. We can put a little bit of that money into advertising and stuff, getting people who don't have equipment equipment because we're recording across Fox states make this thing happens. So that's not a lie. It's between Ohio, California, South Carolina, Nevada and Colorado. Cheese. Yeah, yeah, we're no small thing, but it's those donations really would help us build the thing to a bigger level, because we've got great...

...numbers and we've only been doing social media stuff with that. So that that is yeah, why I like the bulk of art, the bulk of our marketing has been on instagram. A little bulk of it has been, and that seems to be where we've gotten the most consistent traffic as well. Well, it's our everyone who's listened has been so incredibly supportive and it's it's been a lot of like friends and family. And there's me. I'm going to like probably throw a little bit of shade here. There's this thing that that I don't know it's a mentality or what it is, but when we see our friends or whatever doing their own creative thing, for whatever reason, people tend to kind of ignore it a little bit and it's just a weird little mentality thing. I don't know exactly what it is, but it is definitely hard even within those closest to you, to get people to pay attention to the things that you're doing. So the fact that everyone has supported this project the way that they have is really, really deeply meaningful to me, because no one had to spend that hour listening to this show, no one had to give the reviews that they did, no one had to, like, tell anyone else about this thing or support it like they did, but a ton of people have. We and it's wild and supportive and I really can't thank people enough for taking the time to just look. I mean that's that's huge and everyone's got busy lives. So it's really hugely meaningful when anyone, it doesn't matter who listens to something that you're doing, pays attention to something that you're born, you're soul into, because I'm born everything I got into this project right now. I've known you, I have known you for seven years now, and I cannot I've never seen you put as much into any project as I have seen you with this one. And and I've worked alongside you doing radio shows, was making films that have won awards, other projects here and there, and the amount of dedication you have had to this has been unlike anything I've seen come out of you in a long time, and it's also, at the same time, not not that the things you've done in the past haven't been successful. Again, you want a best picture award with at a film festival, but to see the continued level of success you're having with this show so fresh into it is, is really something to behold. Well, I'm Kinda thank you. That's really fucking kind of you, but I'm sort of coming at this with new energy. I guess you'd say that sounds ridiculous, but no, it really is like this whole new mentality and deal for me because, hell, you said it, I make stuff all the time and I try very hard to be quality and everything, but Um, there's there's just been certain factors and circumstances in my life that has deterred me from really going all in on something like this. I've had ideas, you know, and thoughts and concepts that I would have loved to just do give everything to, like I'm doing now, but just too many factors didn't let it happen. And after a few years off from making anything, a few years off of like just being me, I guess I kind of took a few year break from being myself. Popping back into it with everything...

...that I've experienced over the last few years and really getting myself and my life into a much healthier place has landed me in this spot where I am in Los Angeles, I am married to an incredible person and I have this new clarity and peacefulness about myself where I can just like just really attack this thing head on because I've got I've got nothing to lose. I've got nothing to gain really either on this project. Is the other side of it. I'd love to see it like take off and skyrocket and be able to pay the people who were helping to make this thing. But for me this is just like this experience of I'm I'm making a story, building a world, just getting into it and putting it out there. is is totally new and weird for me to like really just die full force into it and it's letting my my brain, which I don't know if we have really talked about how my head works, but, Um, it's allowing this energy and thoughtfulness that I have to like really channel into something and make it what it's becoming. So my brain goes a million fucking miles an hour. We'd really it really does. I mean the number of projects I've seen you start and I don't want to use the words drop, but like move on from in the last year alone. You're for you, finding a project to work on is kind of like finding a pair of shoes. You're yeah, you try a bunch, they don't work. Yeah, yeah, you can move on till you find the one that fits just right. And They I mastered the art of killing my darlings as that stock. That's that's we've got. We've talked about them before. That's a tough that's a tough thing to master. It because so many times we want to hang on two things as creative types as long as we can because we think there's just something there. But yeah, sometimes you just got to learn to move on. Well, I think that's the beauty of this is like, yeah, I've had a lot of projects and stuff and I've started them with like, excuse me, different intentions and ideas and I don't know, mentalities about him. This one was more like just I approached it with such clarity of like this is something that I thought of a long time ago, that I thought would be fun and as like, I don't I don't give a shit where it goes. It's just fun and interesting to me and it's it's something that I can play with so much. It's like my own little sandbox that I could just like keep playing with and building in, because that's the unfortunate strength of my brain. You see what I did? They're fun phrasing. I I just kind of go, go go with the with ideas and whatnot, and if I can channel that into one like stream, I can keep building this thing up and found something that my brain has like clicked with to just hold onto and channel on to instead of just like this idea, this idea of this idea, hanging on to these other things that just aren't really clicking completely. It was that is a weird distinction defined between a project that like is cool, but your brain doesn't do like that. Yes, this thing, versus like this is cool and it feels right, let's move forward with this, because you could start something and it feels right and then as soon as you hear the thing after you started it, you're like, Oh, you know, that doesn't work at all.

This one it was like I started the thing, I sent it to some people because I was like this, this might have something. And I don't know how to explain making that choice other than it's a feeling that you get. And if you have a brain like mine, where it's just idea, idea, idea, finding something to sink your teeth into is really vital to building something cool, because you can make a hundred a things or you can make one fantastic thing. You're probably going to have to take a hundred ay things to get there, to find that thing. But uh, yeah, that was all very abstract. But but you, but you know what, that that process you talk about of you know, you don't know it until you mean, you really don't know what's going to work for you until you actually try it. And and a lot of that is the same with like, for me, with joke writing. I can sit there and write jokes and they might sound funny as Shit to me and my head, but until I actually try them out and say and say them with actual words, yeah, you know I mean. And it's also the opposite effect. I'll get a joke stuck in my head that I know is dumb, that I know is a terrible, terrible idea, and how dare I have that idea, but until I actually tell that joke and let it die on stage, I'll never be able to get it out of my head. For more information, for more information, see my joke about the letter why. But it had its joke. How the joke about the letter why, and I was like, this sucks, this is awful, this is the worst drug ever written. I have to tell her I'm never going to get it out of my head. And and that seems to be kind of the way you approach things. That was you're going to sit there and you're going to try everything, yeah, until you find the one that sticks. I mean, why wouldn't you try anything? Everything like that comes in your brain. We got a very finite amount of time on earth. Might as well just don't nuts with it. Do the things you want to do, try everything you want to try, make everything you could possibly ever want to make it. If it doesn't work, it doesn't work. Just move on. Don't let it hurt you. Like every writer I've ever talked to, is always said just write everything that comes into your mind, even if it's terrible, because if you don't write it, it's just going to sit there. And at least certain friend of mine sent me a script that they thought was terrible and they still think it's terrible, but it is friggin hysterical and actually pretty quality. And Yeah, well, I'm I bart talking to him right now. I'm sorry, but I absolutely hate the idea I had for that script and I wrote it and now I'm looking at it just kind of like, son of a bitch, this is good and I hate that. It's good, but it's a fucking I haven't touched it in weeks, but because I've been working on a new film script. But yeah, I mean it happens, it does point. You tried it, you did it, I did, and I might revisit it. I May. I've made because I haven't gone back to it, as I had nothing else for it right now, because I got because I got the idea out of my head. Yeah, exactly. I got the idea. I worked on a paper, I wrote, I wrote a Stinger for an animated show and and everyone I shared it, you said it was really fucking funny and that made me really angry. You scratch the itch while it was there. I did. I scratch it and now it's on paper and if I ever decide to revisit it. It's there, the bones are laid. Yeah, there you go, but I also had a billion other ideas, so I'm writing all of them. That's the exact process that I'm talking about. It's just going for that. Follow the inspiration where it comes and you will go places. Philosophic rand, Goddamn, it happens on this show a lot. Well, Travis, congratulations on everything with dead serious season one. You've same to you, Mike Shaye, producer, an actor. Oh, I don't like to my like too my own horn, but no, seriously, like like, I wish we had some fucking...

...champagne that we could toast via via Webcam right now, because, Holy Shit, who'd have thought that that this fun podcast idea would have taken off the way that it did, and I cannot wait to see again. Like I've read the scripts for season two. I can't wait to see how they all come together, with everyone's, everyone's the new characters, especially stuff, especially the stuff that I've already heard. Son of a bitch, creepy fuck eight, Arthur, fucking Arthur, I'm going to say it's just Arthur Romo is going to be the star of season two. Three hundred and four five not for said. One last thing on that note. Just if season two isn't completely for you, I promise that season three is where we're really going to US start taking off with things. Yeah, season two is a bit of an experiment, so we'll see. But but have all we can say is, if you've stuck with us this far, have faith in us going forward, because or favorite. Yeah, but, Travis, thanks for coming on and talking about I'm glad we got to finally talk about this on the show. That it's great. It's always fun. It's always good to have you here, man, especially considering you kind of fucking work here anyway. So, but guys, make sure you check out travis working the people find dead serious stuff online. It's dead serious pod. Sorry, at dead serious pod on Instagram and I think the same on twitter, with an underscore thrown in there somewhere. You'll figure it out. And then, wwwadad, serious pod. That's our website. We're like. It's our central hub for everything. So go there and if you want to listen to it, you're probably already on itunes or something. Just I mind it. It's everywhere. Yeah, we're on apple, Google, overcast radio, public radio, public think on spotify it. Yeah, we're on spotify. Fact, on spotify. We're working on stitcher. Probably never going to be on I heeart radio. No, our release thing doesn't work. Our heart radio strict. It's only by it's only buy some loophole that I get to be on there. Hey then, yeah, it's true. But yeah, make sure you guys, go check out the dead serious podcast, memoirs of an undead loser. I love that so much. I love it so much. I really do find it wherever you can find podcasts online. Go the website dead serious podcom travis texts kept coming on. The show man, always a pleasure, Mike Shay. All right, guys, I was going to do it for this week's episode of the Basement Lounge. As always, you can check me out online. Go to my website, Mike Shay comedycom follow me on twitter and Instagram at Mike Shay comedy, and don't forget to check out everything else going on with this podcast. GO TO ANCHOR DOT FM Slash Basement Lounge pod. We got new episodes of monthly movie madness coming up soon. Monthly movie meltdown. I always do that. Monthly movie meltdown with me and Travis coming up in a couple weeks for Yems. Movies is in there somewhere. Yeah, we just dropped the new Mike talks movies on Tuesday with me talking about Rambo, last blood and all kinds of other new stuff coming up here soon. It's check it all out. T shirts, stick shirts, yeah, no, go to Te publiccom. There's a link to that down in the description and we now have a merge store up for the basement lounge if you feel so inclined. T shirts, stickers, even cell phone cases. Yeah, Nice. Yeah, they look the new I phone, the new iphones coming out, folks, or as already out. Yes, I won't be buying it. I'm tempted check all that stuff out, guys, and if you feel so inclined. By no means do I do. I want to guild anybody into it, but there is a patreon for this show, patreoncom slash baby basement lash pot. It's a one dollar tier. There's just some fun stuff in there, but the main thing you can do to support this show is go the apple podcast APP, scroll down and leave us a rating and a review and let us know what you think of the show, and that helps us...

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