The Basement Lounge
The Basement Lounge

Season 2, Episode 18 · 1 year ago

Remembering Chris Farley

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Chris Farley was a comedy legend. So many working today, Mike Shea included, attribute their entire careers to the work of Chris Farley. But the world of comedy isn't always pleasant. Just ask the players in the Late Night Wars...

This week, Mike & Mike talk about:

  • The life, career, & legacy of Chris Farley
  • The Late Night Wars & Jay Leno sucks
  • The formula of network television

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Welcome to the Basement Lounge podcast with your host Mike Shay and Mike Wells. Sit Back, grab a drink, relax, let's see where the time takes us. Enjoy. I've been obsessed lately with like old Chris Farley clips and also just like like his story in general. Like I watched this interview with with Chris Rock that he did on Howard Stern about Farley and about how, like for the longest time, like Chris Rock wouldn't do business with like NBC or snl because he blamed them for a Farley's death really because, like they knew he had a problem. But like, like they would just like basically they'd get him sober enough to where he could do the job they needed and then they just send him fucking back off on his way like like Tommy bully and black sheep, like he's fucking coked out of his mind doing those would basically like they had these handlers who like their job was just to get him sober enough to finish shooting and then make the money. Yeah, because I think Bob Odin Kirk was doing an interview where he was like talking about the last time he saw Farley. He was like at like a strip club or something like that and was just completely coked out and was just like throwing handfuls of money and complete was just out of his fucking Gore. Than like I got like a week later, like was when he died or some shit. That's crazy, as sometimes I want to like what his career would it in. I H where he would be right now, if he survives. Well, he would have been. They would the gross movies would have come out a lot sooner. Yeah, now realize this because far because sand there. They had written those in the night. They were going to shoot those back then. Then when far only died, he shelved it for a while and then I didn't know that. Yeah, Goo, well, get you. Have you heard the song he does? Yeah, it's a great song. Grown ups. Yeah, grown ups, three thing us, because he was it was originally written for Farley, for all of them, plus farling. Then they waited till when they did brought in Kevin James, which do I love Kevin James, but he's not Chris Farley. He's not going. There's never going to be another Chris Farley. Eve. You know that. Yeah, I feel bad because he probably he probably placed Chris Farley in the movie. So he's imagine me like Hey, this is actually for Chris. You know started tell me that. Yeah, you gotta Gus. He probably inspired Kevin. Obviously did Inspire Kevin James. If you look at Kevin James, it is like yeah, I look at him and me Wliss McCarthy, both the same way as like these two went to that Chris Farley School of because Chris Farley was like that for a lot of people, the overweight but still able to do this lot larger than life physical comedy, and because so many comedians who were overweight like that would let would kind of hold them back, and he never fucking did. But that's one of things that Chris rock talks about. The interview was stirred. is like he talks about how, like the the Chippendale's sketch with him and Swaysy, like Farley didn't love that Scotch because originally they had written it to where the fact guy wins the job, but they had him like change it to where now we're going to give it the swayze. That makes more sense. Hm. It's like so at the end of the day you're still like putting the fat guy getting the bad and like Farley, knew who he was and he like it wasn't like he was ashamed of it, but he still had that sense of like you still got that that little bit of a chip on your shoulder, on your own your self esteem. Like his mom will talk about how, like she'd he called me like well, they wrote me another scene to be the dumb fat guy. M honestly, though, that swayzy bit. That's that's why my fait, that's pie, my my two favorite s no skits are that. And then Will Ferrell, American, the American fucking speed Oh, oh my God, that's Speedo bit is yeah, I've never seen so many people break characters. And now time he grabs fucking any polar and I mean's like who is struggling from the moment he walks in the room, not erayh sayings was like you good Dale, though, I always love when Rachel dratch would do,...

...he the Debbie Downers death. Yeah, because they would always say, like we could not. They basically would just they would. They would never do them live. They would just show our type recording of the rehearsal because they're like we could never get a clean rehearsal. Here's the best one we got and it was always not know that. Yeah, almost almost every Debbie Downer sketch was just they would just run, a run a tape because they could never get through a fucking rehearse craper cross, like Rachel dratch would sit down and already be and she's supposed to be the fucking sad one and she's already laughing. Will seem like if you watch the the original Matt Foley Sketch, the Motivational Speaker Spade and because Christina applegate was was hoping she hit. The two of them are just like comed all guy. Yes, they are trying so hard not to laugh, because that I mean the mad foul, the mad folly, the he will that is the one he will always be remembered for. Is Living about hand down by the river and a fan down by the river. Did you see the video from a couple of years ago? We're like the little like four year old did that for Hollime. Oh My, you don't know. Jack squaw. He fucking goes through the tape and I just like watch that video. Everything about a video. They are trying so hard not to laugh. Yeah, they're trying so hard not to laugh. I've watched that clip in the last week along I go watch the look four times and like spade especially, is she just on the verge of Los Because he's like he's he can't hold it together. He just fucking can't it. And but it's just about if you watch any sketch Farley's in, it's pretty much like that. Like the what the one he would do with Sandler where they were like the old married coming is grab them right here. Sandler is just like biting his fucking lip. This is my hell, and he's just like feeling them all shit. Yeah, Lunch Lady, when you did the Luf Lady Thing, Oh my God, fucking God, Damn, I missed that man so much, you know, but to this day, and I was weird, but like my favorite thing he every day was the sketch, the Chris Farley show, where he'd be interviewing like like Jeff Daniels and he'd be like do you remember when? Like yeah, you greped and was really great. You Ever See die hard? That's almost kind of like ZAC ALF and Nakas between two friends. is almost kind of like a ripoff of that got a little bit. Yeah, it's and I love that Guf and I guess so. Yeah, I never thought about that touch just now. So I will. I will say because I've watched, I've been watching all these clips of Shit. Is My I love the stories that like Sandler and spade and other the writers will tell about Farley of like what a fucking whack job he was behind the scenes to haven't heard a lot of those lately, and I mean that a good way. So, like speak, when he would and and Sandler's song he talks about he's like, I'm most mostly missed watching you torture fuck with David Spade. He would get one point, I guess, like he let spades are to dating some girl that I guess Farley had thought was hot or something like that or whatever. So he left this like ridiculously angry, violent, I'M gonna fucking kill you voicemail for spade and I guess spade didn't show up to set for a couple days at SNL and when in Farley felt bad. So so then when the spade showed up he was like hey, did you did you get my joke message? Please don't tell Lauren Jesus and I guess at one point spade was dating like a like a playboy model or some shit, and so farley went and found the issue that she was in and I guess he jerked off into it left it on...

...spades death. Jesus Christ, he would fuck with spade like fat guy in a little coat. That was something he used to do to fuck with spade behind when they were writings. They shared an office together. He would always go grab spades jacket and dance in it and fucking like rip it and Shit and spade talks about like how spade talking like. I used to hate the bit because it probably would do it to him every day. And one time, using the office in her fall, he dad like I show you something. I guess as its Chris. I swear you got its fat out a little coat. It's not funny anymore. No, no, no, it's not that. It turns around and far aways got the coat on and he goes Y, rips it, he goes, don't quit on the pit. Yeah, Fuck God damn. That's j Moore and David Tell. We're writing FRESSENEL. At one point and I guess when Farley was there and I guess they bet him like a hundred bucks each that he wouldn't shit out the window all he's head. He did. He like young as the ass out the window. It like fucking took a shit. Yeah, I don't think. I feel like he'd be a type of guy if you'd bet out he would do it. fucking would actually. But I will say that the one of my favorites I did so was was olivium. Olivia wild was on Howard Stern and she was talking about who she grew up. Her parents were like like like entertainment executors or some shit, and so like when she was like eight or nine years old, they got it took her to an snl taping when Farley was still there, and they stay got to go to the afterparty and she was talking about like she when she was like eight or nine, she was like really awkward, Chubby Little Kid and felt out of place. So I guess she was just kind of like hanging out by like the dessert table and I guess Farley felt bad for because she's a little kid. Yeah, he walked over to her, was like beyond nice to her and he started just like stuffing brownies in his face like the fucking make her laugh and Shit and hung out with her all night and I was just kind of like, oh, that's so nice. But I can also just picture him do it. That just fucking engine s stuffing like all like fucking Yeah, God, we already be now. Like where would he really shit? I don't even know, like like what he had away lost thing, you think at one point. I think he would have had to all, especially because not not to keep telling all these fucking stories. But Sandler saidlor was on. was on because coase Cona O'Brian was a writer at SNL when when, like he was there pre sandler and Farley, like he was there when Farley and Sandler started, and that's how we got the job at late night. But they used to take when when? They would always take they said all the writing staff would always take the host out to dinner after, after the show, and they said that whenever they'd go out to dinner with Farley, it was always he'd go to the waiter. Ok so I'll have like an all all, like a Liqu a teebone steak and, you know, pick potatoes and and you know, see just sut and fries. Okay, now bring me two of each of those. He'd make an order and it was always two of everything you want to see. Two steaks, two potatoes, two orders of fries. To stund they said it's the only time Farley ever stopped talking because he would just just plow it down. But spade would say whenever he'd get a steak in those little the little individual butter square things you can get yea for he cut a chunk of steak and put one whole thing of those butter things on there. Oh my God, space spades like, why'd you do that? And probably would say it needs a hat and that's how but had to me to use fucking steak. So honestly, I don't know, because if the drugs hadn't fucking killed him, I think it's fucking Diet. What a mean having a bad childhood? Did you know he was really close with his family? Yeah, we can him. His brother's half the shit, half the movies and shit that he did, like his brother's work with him on and his brother Kevin still that does comedy. So yeah, Kevin's gracause all his other brother became, think become like a priest or something like that. But like he was super close with his dad and his mom especially, but his dad was like his best fucking friend. That his dad died when he was I can't well was his dad was alive when he died. He died, but he died not long after. Okay, because his dad...

...was it was like, if you watched Tommy boy, that's honestly kind of like what him and his dad were like, because they were both like they looked just like each other. They were both really big guys. He talks about in an interview with Conan when Conan had his show, about how like Matt Foley's kind of based on his dad a little bit, because he'd go from super calm to super fucking intense like in a split second. It's like, yeah, we'd be sitting around the house. Also, my dad would just go. I said, who was to go to get boss? Well, yeah, from all accounts, like yeah, his I think I think from what from what Chris Rocket said, I think he just he became so big so fast and in terms of like the celebrity of it all, I think he just got swept up in it. But because he was so good and people didn't wanted to lose that edge, they just kind of encouraged him. That's so shitty. Yeah, that's why. That's why they for the longest time, like Chris Rock, like he did one of the thing that like after he left. That's all he do. Anything to do with the the NBC or Snol or any of that shit makes sense. Yeah, really good friends, all of them. Oh yeah, him, Sandler, spade and I mean Rob Snyder, Snyder, Tim Meadows. I mean those guys were the best of fucking friends. I'm in. Nor McDonald, no happen, normal. Was On that long, though. No, he came in kind of at the tail end of a lot of them getting ready to leave. I had the best weekend. Update. Oh hundred I've been watched some of those clips. Two hundred percent. He never would have. He never would have lasted today now, I Q. I keep waiting for him to be like fucking, quote unquote, canceled because, like, if you go back and watch like a lot of his old shit, he was said some fucked up stuff. Doesn't give a fuck, but like his there's there's there's like a twenty minute montage of all the OJ Simpson jokes. He's all because he went nuts after Ojason, which is what got him fired inevitably. But I did not know that the head of NBC at the time was like best friends with OJ Simpson, oh Jesus, and he was like every weekend update was mercilessly going after like o J fucking did it. People like and, yeah, it eventually got him fired and I think it's plainly Omus. I mean it's playing amous that Oja did murder those two. Yeah, it's not a yeah, it's not even like I just said, damn good lawyers, right. Yeah, he had a great legal team and that was that was also one of those situations of the power of celebrity kind of want at the at the end. Huh, but but yeah, so I've been I don't know what triggered it. Like I hadn't watched like a farley movie in a while. I think I just found a clip online. I was I don't know what it was was. I finally sat down and watched the Sandler special beginning to end, because I had heard that. I had heard the Farley song and phone Wallet Key, which is Great, but I had never watched the whole hundred percent special, which is it's fine, I don't watch it either. I watched I watched the Farley tribute because it's because it's Farley like and like obviously their best friends. Never so I was really good. But I've never watched the special. It's fine. It's a lot of just it's a lot of just bits and in interlooked with him doing like it's almost like if you've ever watched like a bow Burnham special. Yeah, it's kind of like that. Like you can see where Bo Burnham probably took a lot of inspiration from Adam Sandler. Never thing about that, Tati. He's just said that. But yeah, you're right. So it's feels kind of like that. But also the special itself is like for different. It's him doing the show and four different venues. Yeah, and the footage is all kind of a think one was in Columbus. Yeah, and it because some of them are huge years of some of them are like small fucking clubs, and that's a so it's kind of it's more it feels almost like just like a like a collection of like tour footage. Gotcha in an actual special. But like the bits themselves, they're either they're either great or their turds. It's not...

...a law in between. But yeah, so and so that just kind of got me on this rabbit hole of all this farley stuff and then and then through that, because that was how I learned acause I didn't know that Conan was. I knew cone was an SNL writer at one point, I didn't know he was in that Farley Sandler era of writing snl. And so that got me in this rabbit hole of like all the tonight show drama with him and Leno and Letterman and Toningai fuck telling me, God fucked. I remember. I remember because I was still working to radio. I remember when that Shit went down for Batim. I didn't realize how fucking deep that Shit went. I know how the but I know is that he liked his last like month. He did not give a shit what he did on no, he remor because like his last week, he was like every everything, anything we do, NBC has to pay for. So our job is to run up the budget of this show as much as possible and he had every right to do that. Absolutely fucking didn't, because he they were he got, he got, he got chaff. But I mean they took him away. He had a good thing at conny central. Yeah, and then the coup of the show. Those comming central was the rebroadcast of the NBC show. Oh, yes, right, that's right. We had a good thing on that and basically like saying hey, like, we want you to take this position, and he gave up that to take that position. Right. Yeah, and then they fucked him because so, and that's how I found how deep so this should go, was all the way back to like the fucking s with Johnny Carson. Uh, Huh, because originally he had wanted Letterman to take over the tonight show. UH, because he because Letterman, letterman started late night. That that the show, the cone in hand. Letterman was the one that started that show. Yeah, and so Carson had said, I'm going to give you the tonight show when I retire, and then, basically Leno suck the right dick and got them to give him the tonight show and Letterman got pissed off. Well, rather than bitch about it, he just went across the street to CBS and said, y'all, want to host, and then they gave him the late show and then that's where he was until he fucking retired, and then they gave Conan his show, which was in the ratings fucking toilet when it started. Yeah, nobody was watching it, nobody liked to. Finally, like Letterman went on. I guess that kind of gave it some credibility or whatever, when he realized like no, Loo, because nobody with the fuck on Brian was. He was a s L writer. He wasn't like a wellknown comedian or anything like that. But so the shit that went down with Leno and O'Brien was basically just a rehash of the same shit that went down with with Letterman, and Letterman for the longest time was like staying silent. And then finally one day when they announced, because originally how it was was Leno got his little variety show at ten o'clock during prime time. Yeah, and it it ate a dick in the ratings, like nobody cared. But then, because it was so bad, because of the way it would work, is for he we be on from ten to eleven and then the eleven o'clock local news would go on till thirty and then the tonight show would start. Well, because LETO's ratings were so bad, the lead in ratings to the local news were tanking. So local news was seeming like a thirty percent drop in their rates. Jesus. So they were all like, we're not okay. Well, like they were like threatening to like, you know, withdraw licenses and saying like we're not going to carry your shit anymore if it's going to ruin our programming. Like why would we do that? So the network was like, well, the affiliates aren't happy, so how about this? Let's move you back to thirty, because for some reason they think think the problem was the top, was the content, it was the time slot. So they're like, well, let's move you to thirty and we'll move the tonight show to midnight. You get will will make your show a half hour show and then bump everybody else back a half hour because, I said because at at that point, because dead that point Jimmy foul on to take an over late in the late yeah, from Conan and Carson daily was to I didn't realize Carson daily was on till two thousand and nineteen. Really, I didn't realize. You've been on that fucking long. I think I canceled a long time ago, but then and then Carson daily beyond. But it was like that would then push everybody back half hour. The tonight show wouldn't go on till after midnight, then Jimmy Fowl wouldn't go on until like a one o'clock and then Carson Dailey wouldn't go...

...on until almost two o'clock. And they were like, Oh yeah, what's Goad and do that. If because there's coming, will be okay with that. Cona was like no, if you put the tonight show on after midnight, is not the tonight show anymore, it's the tomorrow show. M He's like, if you're going to do that, I'm going to quit. So he quit. He asked to lease them from his contract. They wouldn't release him from his contract. They basically bought him out of whatever was left because at that point they were at that point they were telling him that play they were in violation of his contract by not letting him have the show anymore. So he ended up getting like this huge fucking pay out, but they wouldn't release him from his contracts. That's why he couldn't host anything for like another year after that, and then Leno got the tonight show back and then Jimmy Fallon eventually took out. But when Jimmy Fallon take over, the tonight show, because when Leno was, when Leto was, when I got Anna as let, I was going to take over the take the tonight show back. At one point he did this like public address or whatever. He was kind of like him by the wedge when remind everybody don't blame Conan for this. This wasn't his fault. And that night David Letterman was kind of David Letterman finally spoke up. He's kind of like, okay, I've been quiet about as long as I can be. So toll that in a little speech Jay said, please don't blame CONAN. Nobody is. He's like, in the millions of words that have been printed about this, not once as anyone blame Conan for what's happening right now. And then it would become this whole bit on his show. We're like someone would go wrong here and hey, don't you think about blaming Conan. Jesus and it and then let and then so. Then letterman every night was just ripping into because he hates fucking he hated fucking jail and I don't know, I mean you'd have to. Yeah, well, the only person who hates him more is Howard. How it's stern and fucking stand Jane Leno. I did not know that he hates Jal Leno, like the whole time this was going on. If you really want some fucking some shit, if you'd go back and check out Howard sterns commentary on all this this shit with Jane Leno, he hates Jane Leno and one of the things he says he's like I hate Jane Leno. Most of Hollywood hate Gent Jay Leno. Everyone just afraid to say it is. He's NBC's use, NBC's golden boy. Yeah, but because when when they originally announced Conan was going to get tonight show, Howard Stern went on con and he was kind of like you don't think they're actually give this to you, right? He's like, you know they're going to screw you over in the end. No, fuck, that's fucked up. Yeah, I can was like no, there. He's like no, it's funny. And how it turns like no, they're gonna do to you. And they did the let him and I promise you, and they fucking did Jesus. Yeah, but when Leno retired again and they were going to give the foul and he was doing an interview with with this guy and he was like so, what's the story behind you go into to found? He's like, Oh, yeah, I know if that's going to be great, I don't want to repeat it. One down last time in the reporter literally sit looks at him in the face and goes that's the exact same thing you said about Conan O'Brien. And if you can ever find the Oprah interview, Oprah interviewed him during this whole thing and oprah ripped Jay Leno a new asshole. Any really that she really as so to Kimmel when Leto first took back to tonight show, like when his first month he was doing this like video call back and forth with with Jimmy Kimmel, and Jimmy Kimmel fucking tore into him on his own show. Jesus, like nobody was nice to let know about this. Shouldn't be like you fucking like that. Like CONAN had all his writers to write at that point. Staff. Yeah, like you just fits. So many people moved them. He had moved them to do the show into a hold, into another city because they weren't doing his show was being done in another city, and so they he moved his staff to do the tonight show and now suddenly they're all out of fucking work. They that's completely has oh my God. I always like that's what that's what me. I him probably be come and probably being a good person. That's apply pissed him off more than anything to is the fact that you he uprooted a ton of people's lives. They did this for the show and you fuck them. So many people like, not only did you fuck him over, like he gets his millions, he gets his money. Yeah, well, he got paid. He got paid like fifty million...

...dollars, but but he most of that went into his staff. Yeah, he was like, I'm fine. He's like, I'm from I'll be okay. They're the ones who were legit out of work now. So that's why there's a there's a documentary. I don't know it's still on Netflix or not. But so that whole time that he wasn't allowed to host anything on TV, he basically took his show on the road as a stage show, MMM and like did interviews, did like musical numbers with the band, did a lot of like they're in the year two thousand bits and shit. He did it as like a touring comedy variety show for like six months and like kept a lot of his peak took took his people with him so that way they could stay employed. That way they had money coming in from doing this. He was doing shows with like Jack Black and stuff like that. He's just he's like these let or not Rapa Jack White, just these live shows so that he wasn't violating his contract, but like that way they were still getting a fucking work. That's good for him. That's a gonna move on his pirate account and CONAN's. I mean he there throughout the whole thing. He never threw any shade, you never you never took any shots Leto the most he did was look in like a sixty minutes interview. They were kind of like what would you have done the same thing in Leno shoes? He was like, no, that's not the right thing to do. He's like, I was put in a position where I could have and I chose not to. Yeah, you know, so he's that's why he went over to tbs and fucking high great, right, and think that great writing. So they great. Yeah. Well, he's only ending it now because he's been there for fucking fifteen years and it's why it's been that long. Well, I think he will. He's doing something on HBO. I think too. It's not going to be it's not going to be a talk. Yeah, it's like a variety show or something like that. So well, people. At one point everybody thought that he did because when he moved to TBS, George Lopez had his show over there. Yeah, and they were going to move Lopez to later to make room for Conan show. And at first everyone thought, well, he's just doing a Lopez. What what land did to him? But Lopez is like local Lopez, game on. Didn't interview's like it was my idea. Oh really, he's like, I'm the one who was like, move us to midnight. I get to come into work an hour lay or and what he's like? Also, he's like it's Cona O'Brian. He's like, in terms of late night hosts, who the fuck am I? He has showed been on for a year. Yeah, so, but every but that. But then his show did get canceled. But good, I like George Lope as. It wasn't it wasn't a good show. It's like a couple of US outside of it I don't think he's a great late night host. There's a great comedian, but he's he wasn't a good host and it was just a weird it was the show itself was just kind of a weird funk. And also when you're that guy who's that low on the totem pole in in the term of like late night host hierarchy, and you're on basic cable, like you're struggling to get good guests for your show. Yeah, like at that point you're just getting whoever will say yes. And Yeah, when you're a talk show, a lot of it's based on who the hell you can get. Yeah, so I always felt like that show is like if Dave Chappelle did his own late night show. That's what I felt like. That's exactly what it felt like. Like it felt like not saying day chappell would be a great and he might, I mean would be a bad I think chapelle would do better, but I just felt like that, like it wasn't necessarily a late night show. I just felt like, okay, like this is a comic it's trying to do this. It was because it was basically like it was like watching Lopez do an open mic every night. Yeah, it's, but if you work through be yea. Yeah, that's what actually did. It did really feel like that because, because, because, and like granted, like you of your comedian, you're doing the show. I expect you to keep your Caden's in your style when you're doing your monolog but even when he had like the guests on, always felt like he was just kind of joking with him, like they were doing bits together, and never felt like a like a like an interview show. I think Chapelle could do it only because when so like he did the inside the actor studio. Yeah, so they did an episode of that where James Lipton was the guest and they let him pick who he wanted to host to do his interview, and he picked Chappelle. Really so like Chapelle went in and...

...like did like all kinds of fucking research on them and he's the one who actually hosted the interview of James Lipton. It was a really good interview. He did a really good job. So I think if I think of Chappelle ever wanted to get into the late night game, I think he could. I think you would do pretty good and I thought maybe I could see him go in the way of like like what our Sineo Hall did. Are Saying, Oh yeah, yeah, how long was that show on? A while, I mean mid late S, I think. I never remember watching that show, but I remember being alive for that show. Everybody Remembers Fling. It was Mike. Always feel like it was like the early s but before I was born, but it wasn't. It was because it was kind of in that it was kind of in that crux where and where the was the s. We hadn't quite left the s behind yet. Yeah, it was because he was still wearing like the big suit and shit like that. I don't you see the one where he were like the the gate of the gay group came on a show and we're trying to say, like he didn't. Yeah, and it's like, I've interviewed Elton John, like what? I have a lot of gay friend he's like maybe people. I do have the gay people on that don't want people to know that they are. Yeah, it's like stunts. Done your fucking business. Yeah, I do remember watching that. That's the he still he was on. He was getting interviewed only live FM or something like that, and they still bring that up to this day he's like he's like I was. He's like I was the only m plus, he was the only one at the time. Yeah, like he had had and I can't remember her name, but she was she was just openly lesbian comedian. It wasn't Ellen. This is before Ellen, and he had had her on when nobody was, when like she couldn't get booked on on Primetime television and he was like I was the first one to do that, like he was doing it. He was doing shit for for gay entertainers before anybody else was on his show. It just never realized it because they weren't popular because it was our Sinio Hall and it was it was basic cable. I think. Yeah, yeah, so nobody gave a shit. Feel like Fox. What I aired. It color almost what the Fox diddy when he would when he was, you know, when the whole because originally when the real whole repath reason he got the tonight show was because his contract was about up and he was getting bids from Fox because they wanted to get into the late night game and they don't have a late night game too, that they don't they and they wanted to try to get into it. I don't think it would work. But I don't think it would. I don't think would go over with with their affiliates. Why is that? Like in a getting late night game, you'd have to have like somebody established. I feel like you can't just you can just start with someone new. Yeah, we'll put the other thing out of think about it, and I can. I can attest. This is because this is the business at work in but like, so, in order to do that you'd have to convince your local affiliates, like like our local Fox station, to give up at least a half an hour of local programming to do that. And that's money. Yeah, it's a lot more money for the local affiliates in running a rerun of sigin filled with local commercials booked then a half hour to an hour of network programming where we get some local commercials in a little bit of a network kickback. Gotcha. So they'd have to convince their affiliates to do that, to sign off on that, and that's that's hard to do because it's a lot of especially right now, is a lot of money in local yeah, advertising. So as plus at this point with the way things are, I think the name Fox just kind of feel like Fox has had bad programming. I mean most network programs pretty Shitty, but Fox's program is pretty fucking bad. So I watched Netflix. I'm just I mean they'll get like I love the Mat I'm obsessed with a mass singer. I think the mass singers one of the best things on TV right now. They Fox shows, all the Gordon Ramsey shows. So I'm always you know, whether it's kitchen nightmares or master cheffer, all that Shit. So I will say that. I won't say it all sucks, it's just but I'm also like picky about what I'm going to watch nowadays. I see, I'm remember last time I've ever watched anything on Fox. I really can't tell you. Maybe a family guy episode. I...

...will I will say Sundays. I'm glued. Well, that's the thing they have. I'm actually all like, so that's there, that's their niche. So Sunday nights kind of there. Is there. IS THEIR MONEY? Yeah, is it because I got the all the Really Funny Simpsons? Get two episodes of the simpsons. You got to have you got family guy, Bob's Burgers, the great outdoors, oh the great the great north, the great no one that shows fucking funny Nick Offerman, and it's really funny that do when Duncanville. That amy polar one is really funny. The only one that cries about blessed the hearts, which is that. I know that it's some new like redneck one. It's got like Burnholtz and Mya rutolp in it. That's not for me, HMM, but but that that. Yeah, that's Sunday night lineup. Crushes every sing every sime. Nobody wants to compete with that. That's you can't know. I said fucking I think that's their other than adult swim. Yeah, that's literally the only adult cart teams, I feel like pretty much. Yeah, Fox used to do this thing for a little while. I forget what it was called, but they moved it over to fax and it was kind of like it was because Sunday night they called the animation domination. Yeah, and they used to do like a different version of it, like on Saturdays, and it was shows like like axe, cop x coup it, which was like a it was more of like the UB skier adult weird stuff, and they move most of that over to fex where like archer lives and stuff like that. But that's where Fox is always, always been killing it with that stuff. And and I like from from a from an industry standpoint, like when we're on Sundays, if you have like like a Nascar race and it goes along to where it's overlapping, where that those those cartoons would start, rather than like join in progress, they will make you slide everything because they do not want to lose any of those show wow. So that so they'll have us like slide when the local news starts and like join something else in progress overnight. That's like a low cost, low risk because they don't want to lose any of that airtime for those shows, because that's how bigger ratings and money generator they is. Shit, yeah, and are yeah, damn so, yeah, you know, and even ABC, like a lot of the network stuff nowadays, just doesn't interest me. But a lot of it's just like I'm so tired of ambulance and and firefighter shows. That's all I mean. It's like a new version of Fu can nypd Blue Kay, yeah one. For the longest time everybody had a bachelor ask dating show. Longest time everybody had a I'm so glad these are going away. But the shows where it's the person that's not a cop works with the cops because they are a specialist in something. Oh yeah, yeah, suddenly everybody had like three of those shows, like I had like sleepy hollow, Lucifer, right now you've got yet castle, or it's I'm not a cop, I'm a writer, but I work with the cops. Everybody had those and I got so tired of those so fast. Most fucking I forgot about sleepy hollow. Holy Shit. Well, you know what, now I like a covid and everything. I don't think any may is really come. Had to be able to come out with a good like series premiere, anything like. Well, there's this new there's this new one on ABC that I keep hearing about called Big Sky. Oh Yeah, everyone, I have not that chance to watch it. Everyone has told me it's really good. Here's the thing I don't like. I can't watch ABC shows like that and I just feel like it's almost trying too hard to be gritty, but it's not gritty. there. I will say there are times where they feel like they're trying to be NBC because, like NBC puts out, this is us. A year later, ABC drops a million little things and they're kind of in the same vein, which is just like super heartstring tugging, constant drama. No one's ever truly there's no truly good ending. Every good ending as a catch. It's life, it's light. Yeah, now I get...

...what you're coming from. They're like they've got like station nineteen, which kind of feels like it's trying to be Chicago fire, Chicago Med or, you know, Brasen out of me always felt like it was trying to be are. Yeah, Oh God, and I when it comes out like because you had all what's your faces, Shan Rhime, Sunda rhim shows. First, I'll tell you what when I was when I got hired, when Thursday night was still shawn, that was still strong to night. That was the night where it was like, Mike, this is not the night to make a mistake. If you make a mistake and it screws up something on air, like we hear about it because that's so much money. It wasn't invested in in Shawan the night because you had scandal and how away with murder and grays an autem. Yeah, it's I don't know, I just they feel like it. I think it might be the way it's also filmed. Like, I don't, I don't know. It's really kind of whird. It has like it's almost like how all those are films. It's almost like is I can't, I'm trying to fail. The best way to describe it. How it's these dark undertones. Might it's almost like poppy, know what you mean? Yeah, it's like it's like surface level. It's it's it's deep, but it's not. Yeah, it's like it's dark, but it's dark in the way that people so I use this analogy sometimes when I talk about like like Shitty, noise, noisy heavy metal bands are. I'm like, this is what people who don't like metal think metal sounds like. Yeah, and so a lot of the Shan to Rhyme Shit. They like. This is what people who don't understand deep art think deep art is supposed to be. Yeah, like this is what high concept, that's where I work work. This is what people who don't understand high concept think high concept is. That I think you're I think you're right on. I think that's exactly what it feels in like here, like Oh, like this is just you literally took like protocable, normal stuff that everybody's written. They can watch anything else and just like like, and also everyone's fucking well, yeah, everybody, everybody fucking want it, like I can't. Like it's like taking a marvel movie, yeah, and putting like let's take the marvel, let's take ant man. Okay, not really dark, not really dark, right, but you try to like put like a dark like and then you take the dark night m like kind of film aspect. Like it's like, I don't it's so fucking weird. That's how I see on ABC's when I try to do that type of ship, like I like shows like breaking bad and like fucking sighs are archy and like all that type of stuff, to where like I don't know, but you don't really know what to expect and I think all those shows are very read like this is exactly what's going to happen. But I think what shows like breaking bad, they know who their audiences and so they're just trying to appeal to that all true, and will all of the ABC shows do is they try to make the same type of shows, but they try to make them appealing to everybody, which makes sense because it's like that nature, I mean basic table. Oh yeah, it's it. Breaking bad has the benefit of being on a channel where, if anybody wants to watch it, like they're paying to watch it. ABC's network. It's free, it's it's an all ages kind of things. On meth. Just want some Meth, just blue to be specific, at the Blue Math. All Right, folks, that'll do it for this week's episode of the Basement Lounge. If you want to follow US Online, you can follow Mike Wells on twitter and instagram at Mike WTF Wells, and you can follow me, Mike Shay, at Mr Mike Shay, on twitter and Instagram as well. You also follow this show on twitter in Instagram at tbl underscore pod, and we got a brand new website under construction for you guys, with some cool new stuff coming down the line as well, so stay tuned for that. In the meantime, we'll cut you guys again the next week with another episode and until...

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