The Basement Lounge
The Basement Lounge

Season 2, Episode 29 · 1 year ago

Teaching A Class


In lieu of a traditional episode, we'd like to share with you a great moment from May. Shea was invited to speak to a class of high schoolers that were taking a class on podcasting, and a great time was had by all!

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Hey guys, Mike Shay here. We weren't able to record a new episode this week because Mike Wells had some family stuff going on and I had some busy stuff on my own as well. So instead of a regular episode this week, we're going to because to give you guys something a little I can't talk today. We're going to give you guys something a little special. Few weeks ago, friend of mine WHO'S A high school teacher here in Dayton asked me to come speak to his class via zoom actually about podcasting, hosting a podcast, developing a show, and so I got to talk with these students for a little bit of time and just kind of spu some information at them. But what really brought the conversation to a great point was when they started telling me about the shows that they were putting together. I had gotten a list from my friend Aaron ahead of time, but to talk to these kids and here what kind of shows they wanted to make and to kind of have oneonone brain storms with them about their shows for a few minutes each was so much fun and I got to learn a lot about them, and some of them have already launched their shows as of the time that this episode is being released. So I'm so grateful to hear how these guys are doing and how they're learning and growing and developing their programs. But I thought it'd be fun to share you with you guys, the recording of that day I had with those students. You can hear me talk to them and here are some of their shows are about. Maybe you're someone who's looking getting into podcasting yourself, but I thought this would just be a really cool chance to kind of peek behind the curtncy some of the other stuff that we do maybe you weren't aware of and just you know how much I'm involved in the podcasting community and it's just a great this is a great conversation to have with these kids. So enjoy my conversation with this group of high school students from a couple weeks ago and who knows, maybe you'll learn something yourself. Welcome to the Basement Lounge podcast with your host Mike Shay and Mike Wells. Sit Back, grab a drink, relax, let's see where the time takes us. Enjoy. I have given them a little bit of an introduction to you. Told them you are the person that kind of got me going into podcasting through even tide, but other than that, they just know that you put out podcast pretty consistently. You posted your own shows for for many years now, different shows, multiple shows, etc. Like that. So they kind of know you. But if you want to give them a little bit more of a rundown, feel free and then the the the podium is yours. Sweet the guys. My name is Mike. I'm a comedian and podcast from here in Dayton. I've been doing podcasting for going on five years now. I got started doing radio, which is kind of what led me into podcasting. I've hosted multiple shows. I host multiple shows, I produce shows, I do all kinds of work behind the scenes for folks. It's been a great, great hobby that has continued to evolve and grow and hopefully by the end of today you guys will have a new kind of appreciation for it and we can learn a bit about your teachers told me some things about some of the shows you guys are working on, some what you guys are working on. So we'll get to talk to each of you and yeah, that's I think that's that's all you need to know about me. The rest I'm sure will come up a little bit later. Are and I don't know if you have anything else you wanted to go over first. No, I think that's good. Kind of shown the breath of the things that you've done, not just being somebody who has been on podcasts, but you know, for the production side of it. Is something that they are really diving into, you know, and will be over the next few weeks too. Yeah, so what you guys are all developing shows. So it just kind of just get an idea where we're... with which platform or using anchor or. We do like we what are we using as far as putting these things up? Anchor? Yeah, see, anchor anchor something that we got turned onto when we run of the podcast network, which is which where I met your teacher. You know, we were using other stuff. Anchor had an existed yet. In the last couple of years, podcasting has become such an attainable hobby. When I first got into it, whether that when I was still working in radio, it wasn't nearly you didn't have nearly the ease of access that you have nowadays. You had to go and build your website, set up your own RSS feed, figure out how the Heck Apple, you know, processes things. There weren't a billion podcast apps out. There was pretty much just strictly the apple podcasts APP. Google didn't have it, spotify weren't, it wasn't. They just started carrying podcast and last year too. So we're things have gotten to in the last couple of years alone is completely game changing. Anchor was probably the biggest game changer of all. The idea that you could create an entire podcast using nothing more than a mobile APP was was shocking and but and now is. Technology has grown, other companies have followed suit. Other other platforms have come to fruition that have similar models, that maybe have certain features that anchor doesn't offer. Granted, anchor is owned by spotify, but what's great is that this is kind of the best and worst time to be a podcast host. It's the best because there's so much ease of access, but it can be the worst because everyone has, everyone has a podcast now, and so where the real challenge comes in is how to set yourself apart, because that's really going to be the the first big step. Apple Right now is law is rolling out all kinds of huge changes to how their APP works and how their podcast system works to try to cut down on some of the clutter. There was a post recently with it said I think there would like thirty percent of all podcasts on the apple podcast APP were dead shows, shows that hadn't posted new episodes and years, that maybe stopped after three to five episodes because the hosts were like they were. They realized it was more of a commitment than they wanted, or their heart just wasn't in it or they weren't enjoying as much as they thought and they just left their show abandoned. Well, those shows stay on like yeah, it's up. I think it just stopped to cast sizes need to be cast. You hold on one second. You broke it. Okay, I broke it. Yep, here we go. All right, you should be what the podcast network ended. All right, you Goo to go, but yeah, so they're trying to cut down on a lot of that clutter because it a it takes up server space, it be it makes it harder for other shows to get discovered. There are shows out there that still pull in thousands of, not millions, of hits. Every one it did again, I think someone's stopping the because we're using chrome cast type chrome crass is wonderful when you're not sharing it with a group of people. Yeah, I don't know. Don't. I don't care for cromecast. All Right, here, let me. I'M gonna wait a second and spy and see if anybody in here is on here, but like in the school, because it's on the same network. Okay, see if anybody use us. No one's using it's not like keeps dropping. Wouldn't? I don't. I think the Internet's fine. The Internet. I'll say, like connection, yeah, and it won't. It won't show me here. Has It as having an option that we'll just continue. All right, you're good. All right, cool. Yeah, so cut down that clutter. There after...

...jokes out there that have thousands millions of hits every month that have it put up an episode into three years, which means they're still showing up on these like popular podcasts lists. It's just terms in terms of like ratings charts, but then people subscribe to the show and then they never get a new episode. So they're trying to cut down on a lot of that clutter. You see apps like Iheartradio, which carry's podcast, which is trying to they have a rule actually where if your podcast wasn't put up at least one new episode every week, they just take a show down. So podcasting is one of those hobbies with things you get into that you get out of it what you put into it. If it's something that you're just real casual about, you know it's not something you want to break an arm over that. That's totally fun. You can be as Canshu with it as you want. That's why anchor is such a great app for that kind of thing, because you can record through your phone, put the music and through your phone do all the uploading. It takes all the heavy lifting off your shoulders. It's great for beginners and really casual podcasters. I moved off of anchor to another platform because I do might take my podcasting a little bit more seriously. I had other goals I wanted to achieve that anchor just couldn't really provide for, and so you'll find that. You know, podcasting is a lot of like that. It's a lot of changing updating, trying new things, never getting too stagnant, because that's how you wind up with what we call pod fade, which is basically that you do it and then you just kind of stop doing it, then your show to stay as dead in the water. But as a podcast host, what what can be really exciting and a lot of fun is just the level of control you have. It's your show. It can be whatever you want it to be. It can be as serious or as funny or as in depth or is laid back as you want it to be. And because we're doing podcasts and not like web shows, removing the video element removes a certain amount of pressure that you might have. There are plenty of podcast and incorporate video. It's and and you know, you guys, know you guys going to talk about marketing later on down the road and I'm sure they will bring that up a great deal. But at the end of the day this is an audio format and so all you have to do is just sound good. And it's a lot easier to sound good than to look good. Anybody who works in Radio will tell you that most of them have faces for radio, and thank you if you get that so. But as the host, you know it's so much fun because you're in the driver's seat at all times. Some people like to host and produce, which is like what I like to do. Some people like to adjust host, but it's your show, you're holding the reins, and that that to me, is if you're a control freak like me, there's nothing better than than podcasting trying to see here. So your teacher gave me a rundown of what some of your show topics were. Only pull that up here. We were talking about that yesterday and I'm loving so far. Just, first of all, just this huge variety you guys have, like like no two shows are really the same. Here we've got a true crime show, which those aren't true crime shows are the hottest thing in podcasting right now. Like Kim Kardashian has one, for crying out loud. Everyone's doing a true crime podcast. They're immensely popular. See a show about weird research projects. I don't know you've ever seen the show Diysi, which is kind of like a it's a kid show, but it's, as you know, funny science projects and stuff like that, which I don't know that's the same thing or not, but it's kind of what that reminded me of. See anime and anime and Ethics Co lead show, as my reading that right. Yeah, so you get two that are going to in together their co hosting a show using different, you know,...

...anime shows, and discussing the ethics within those shows. Oh cool, it could explain to be wind full metal alchemist that they say, Oh, I turned a I turned sand into a door, but it's not magic. Best lists of bad movies. Always love those. Medical interview show. That's that's especially if it's for the time right now, a playlist show, which I'm assuming is music based, a basketball opinion show, sports podcast or crazy popular right now. And then, let's see, we had an opinion based generic show. You said she should be talked about what it's like to be an American Indian teenager. Love all these. I love that in this group there is no, none, known two of these shows sound the same, and that is fantastic, because that can be one of the most difficult things of being a podcast host, is setting your show apart from others in in this pandemic time that we're living in. You know, a lot of us went into it as as these as podcast ors, looking for silver linings and and that was well, everyone's gonna be stuck at home looking for something to do, so we're going to see like a massive influx and pot cast listenership, which we did get. What we also got, though, is because everybody was home and board was everybody starting their own podcasts as well. So it kind of like we had a huge increase in audience, but also a huge increase in in show content as well. So the struggle is out there to set yourself apart, even just a little bit. I don't know if you guys have ever heard the phrase simpsons did it, but that is from South Park where they were trying to the one characters trying to be an evil villain and he keeps coming up with all these evil plans and his partner keeps saying simpsons did it there, they did it in their show, and the idea was that, well, if everyone's done everything, how can you do something new? It is it is tough. You know every everything was going to be a little bit of derivity from one show to the next when you're playing in a niche and you can't get discouraged by that. You can't get so obsessed with being different that you just never do your show or you let your show frustrate you. But you also want to make sure that you don't just fall into a generic mold as well. So putting your own spin on things as the host, being the host, is where that difference comes in. You might have a similar topic as somebody else, but what's going to make your show different is you and how you approach it and how you talk about it. Let's see, here are and I don't know if you had any questions or points you wanted to bring up here. Well, no, that's something to the glad you brought that up, because when when I started doing movie reviews, it was I was trying to be too unique and then that made it overstructured and then I just fell apart. And so then when I just started talking to my guest speaker about the show, about the movie, not worrying about every single point in the movie, you know, jumping around, just letting it be more conversational, I let my show be my show and then I had fun doing it more people enjoyed listening to it. It became a little bit more enjoyable to do every week, you know, and so don't try to feel like you have to be different. If people are and part of the marketing is going to be there your listeners are probably, when we start, are going to be your friends and family, you know, like the people that are interested in what you do, and then pass that you're going to get some random like you guys saw some of the random countries that listen to my show, you know, just like people and anchor who find it and I like okay, this is fun and maybe listen to one episode, maybe the listen to every single one I put out. That's not you can't get yourself worried about that. You just put your show out and have fun doing him. So, yeah, you know, your shows a great example of that. Like, yeah, when you when you're free, because you would never done podcasting before, like ever, and when... came in those first the first few runs of the show, we're very structured and very kind of just bullet point it, which is when you're first starting out. If that's what's comfortable for you, great, you want to you want if you're not comfortable making the show, it's going to it's going to reflect you know, we we give away so much of our feeling and emotion in the way we speak, and when that's all your listeners have to go on is how you speak, they're going to be able to notice that kind of thing. And so as you get more comfortable, as it stops feeling like work and starts to feel more like fun and becomes more relaxed and more organic, is where it's going to really take off. One thing I do want to emphasize is that is a podcasting is very much a patient person's game. Most shows don't start seeing any kind of like noticeable, let's call it success, for at least the I want to say at least the first year, and that's kind of just the sable hazard of the game, because there is such a saturated market for podcast there are so many podcasts out there and there is that struggle to stand apart that it does take. It can't take a little bit of time to really find your audience. You know, Aaron says, you know you might have your first few listeners being your friends and family. Honestly, you'll be lucky if you have your friends and family checking out your show, because what you're going to what you're going to find real quick is as much as your friends of family love and support you, they don't necessarily want to listen to you just talk for thirty minutes straight about something you're into, unless they happen to be into the same thing. I'm a comedian. All my shows are most of my shows for comedy based. Most of my family doesn't get my sense of humor. It's just the way it is. It's a generational thing. My mother has told me to my face. She's like, I just can't sit there more than a few minutes to your podcast. Granted, not her snatter style of humor, and I can live with that. But we've been doing we've been doing our show for about two years now and we're finally seeing a significant increase in our listenership because we just kept our nose to the ground. We made changes and adapted an adjusted as time went on. We didn't we didn't get stubborn and just keep things the same because that's what we wanted to do it. We looked at trends, we looked at what our listeners were thinking it or listen to feedback and we adjusted, an adapted and as things worked, we kept them as that, we kept them going. If they didn't work, we abandoned it and tried something new. So being patient and being adaptive is really is really going to be a huge a huge tool when it comes to hosting your own podcast. Excuse me, let's see here. It's really pretty much all I have as far as just general information goes. I'd really like to just go ahead and jump into Aaron, unless you had anything else you wanted to you wanted to bring up. I love to go in and get talking to talking to the kids here and see and I put yeah. So if you guys, any questions at all, any anything you want to know, or or whatever you know, throw it at me. Let's let's, let's have an open dialog here. So, out of all of the shows you either host it or produced, what has been your favorite, and why? The one I'm doing right now, the basement lounge, has been my favorite because for the longest time I was I the problem I was having was I was making shows that I thought other people wanted to hear and I was trying to appeal to two broad of an audience and I wasn't. I wasn't being myself. I was trying to create something I thought people wanted to listen to, which made finding my audience very difficult. So instead I and I decided I'm just...

...going to make the show I want to make and I'm not going to be afraid to try new things. I'm not going to be afraid to experiment, and that's where the basement lounge came from. My originally started the basement lounge. It's just a way to experiment with programming. When the podcast itself had like three different shows built within it and I was just trying different episodes and different styles of shows until I found the one I really liked and I did that for I did that style for fifty straight episodes. It did. It was a long form interview podcast with entertainers. I interviewed fifty different people, everyone from the local comic that gets five minutes to I interviewed a director, a director and voice actor working out in Hollywood. I still do interviews from time to time. I had an interview with I don't know if anybody listens to heavy metal, but I had an interview with Cobra from Cobra and the Cobra in the Lotus. It's having this show has been so much fun because I've really gotten to just breathe and and be myself with the show, and now it's evolved into a new kind of show with, you know, I brought on a cohost and the show has become, I like to tell people it's Joe Rogan, but a lot less pretentious, and we have a lot of fun and this is the show that I've seen the most growth with and the and that the growth doesn't what makes the show my favorite, but the fact that I'm I'm having that growth but still get to have a show where I be myself. This has been the most fun I could ask for. Well, you guys got come on, I know it's early. They even have to be in here till nine, so they got to sleep in. All right. Well, I'll ask about some of these shows then. So who's the one doing the the true crime, the female murder podcast? Okay, great, that so why I decided that I wanted to do something to your crime based anyways, because the dark side of humanity, to me is one of the most interesting things a person could ever want to know or to like what's to know or does already know, and so I wanted to dive deeper into kind of the darker side of humanity. But every time you see its true crime podcast, it's always names like Bundy or Gaycy or dummer. It's never names it's never female names. It's Never Eileen Wardos or Elizabeth bathory, it's never these females that, although it's, you know, a strength place to ask for a quality, although they did pretty much the same thing, why are they being pushed to the side? Women are always looked at as a victim, not the perpetrator. So why don't we flip the narrative and see what happens when a woman of perpetrator and her victom tends to do maw. That's that's great and I can already tell just the way you're talking about that you're passionate about it than you care. One of the things as a host, you're going to get asked a lot is what's your show about? And you got to kind of you've got to be able to perfect that, and this is kind of more of the marketing thing, but you gotta able to perfect that, that elevator pitch. Basically, you got you got thirty seconds to tell me, to tell me why I should listen to your show, and the more you sound like you actually care about it, the more lightly the person is to listen to it. I will, I will suggest to you if there's a if you're looking for a show that's not do win the big names like you know, like like Bundy or Domroo that. There's a show called in the dark, which is a very, very long form of done two seasons, but each season is like like fifty two, sixty episodes, and they do deep dives of research into these cases that have happened around the US, to the point where one of their shows, their lat their most recent season, got a man off trial for murder would have been on trial for twenty five years and it's spent twenty something years in prison. And because they did the kind of research and hat we we're able to... the kind of things the police maybe aren't or weren't willing, weren't able to do or weren't willing to do. They got this man, they were able to prove this man had nothing to do with the crime was accused of. And it's a fan so I recommend checking that one out. And it's hosted and led by a team of women, and so that so there. There's that aspect for you as well with with the show, like like how are you with how are you with like research? I can find almost anything I want to find in any time frame you gave me. That's going to be a true CRA. PODCASTS in general, and I know you guys gonna hate to hear this already, podcast in general can have a lot of homework. If you're doing an interview, if you're playing a certain band or talking about sport, there's a lot of homework that can be involved in terms of like just doing some research. But true crime especially, you know the the hours you're going to spend prepping for for one episode. I know people who set out to make true crime podcaste for three months never got their first episode done because they weren't prepared for the homework. So if you're prepared for the homework, Godspeed. It's something I could never do. That's a lot I like. I like fallen down rabbit holes on Wikipedia as much as the next guy, but not enough that I could ever devote that kind of time to. So you know it's not for everybody in terms of making that kind of show. So more power to you for for committed to it. Let's see, who's the weird research projects person? That's me, that's you. So weird research projects, what are you talking about? So specifically I'm focusing on so there's this like Um Satirical Science Award called the ignoble prizes, that's done by this like Science Humor magazine called the annals of improbable research. And so for the past like for the past like thirty years or something, they've been giving out these ignoble prizes for kind of like strange or weird or trivial research findings of that year in the various different categories, and most of them are like have like the journal articles and stuff like that posted and they're like scholar scholarly reviewed articles, but they're like very very strange or like very very trivial things that you're kind of just like well, like why did this get funding? Why did you research this? And I just for me because I'm a bit of a science nerd, but I also didn't want to like do a podcast that was just kind of like talking about things that you would normally hear about on something like that. I wanted to kind of talk about like kind of the weirder side of research, because you have to research sometimes kind of weird or trivial sounding things to get up to the like groundbreaking stuff, and sometimes the weird and trivial things don't lead to the groundbreaking stuff. Sometimes it's just weird and someone's just studying something that's just strange and you wouldn't think that they'd want to study it, but it's just like really interesting to me and it kind of just combined two different aspects of the end it's kind of like right there because of the award, so I don't have to like go like searching into like really deep so give you an example. One of these experiments. I'm into this now. Okay, so this one's kind of this one's a little bit gross, but there's this study that was studying it was trying to validate whether a claim that was from like an archeology account about this man who used frozen human feces as a knife and it was trying to research, using a very controlled experiment, to research whether or not that is actually possible. I want to watch that episode a long order. That's fantastic. That's that's that's that's the best thing I heard someone any like us. It's just,... know, well's it's the next step past using the icicle. Now we're just using yeah, crap. I'm into that. That's a show. That's a show I would listen to. That's a show I would listen to a hundred percent, not just because it's about much the crap episode, but but, but, if that's it, that's the kind of stuff we're talking about. As far as like weird research projects goes, stuff that's like that weird. Absolutely still that I'm not a I'm not a big science guy myself. You know, I watched bill and I like everybody else growing up, but that was mostly because, you know, goofy sound effects and occasionally stuff what's, you know, catch on fire. But yeah, I mean and also, like you mentioned, because there's an award for this kind of thing. That's going to make your workload that much lighter because you were to have to go into whatever this awards looking for, and because of the way social media works nowadays, once you started googling something, you'll never stop seeing ads for it. So also there's a wikipedia has a list of every single one with links. There you go a lot wikipedia treasure. I don't know why teachers don't let people use it as a source and papers. Aaron, it's I don't know. I I say you can start there, but that shouldn't be your point of used to see use the sources that they say absolutely remember that generation. But we know before wikipedia or when it first started, they didn't require them to cite their sources. So yeah, the longest time wikipedia was but it's gone a long way. All right. So I want to get into the this anime and ethics show. WHO's doing this? Our Corner Warner? So anime and ethics? What? What led you to this? That? That is a junction I don't think I ever heard anybody ever really talk about. I got a lot of friends are into anime. So, like, where did this come from? One is one of you an aspiring lawyer, one of you an aspiring anime artist. Like where we had here a reason, because people don't often, because we hear about novels and action shows like that. You really complex things, ethics and real world problems animated never got any attention. For I feel like an is like something that isn't he can very seriously in terms of things, and even some of the most serious and like shows that are super popular and they get a lot of attention and they deal with really type she's. It's not because the deal with top issues really or there's not really look there. We don't get praised for it or like it doesn't talked about as I feel like it should be, and me personally, I find it of reality and human brain, like how it works. I like thinking about why somebody would do something or like they we find somebody of a bad person a good person. That just really interesting to me. So I wanted to be able to express that, sure that other people, because I feel like I would and making something that I would want what to do, because I think that really interesting. Now you just hit, you just hit the magic button. Right there. Would you said you're making something that you would want to listen to, and I think that is a really important thing with podcasting. Part of the reason I have made and host at currently so many podcasts is because I'm a big fan of listening to podcast and sometimes I'm looking for a show that covers a certain topic and if...

I can't find that show, if it's within my my abilities, I just make that show and try to see how feasible it actually is. Maybe there's a reason that kind of show doesn't exist. Maybe no, but he's ever tried it. So that right there gives you that leg up because it's something that you want to listen to. So, similar to with the young woman with the true crime show, because you care, because it's something that you care about and that you want to talk about and will listen to. That's going to translate over the will call them the air waves, and that's going to help entice people to keep listening because they know that something you're passionate about. And you're right that that is something I've never heard anybody talk about. I'm not a big anime fan like a lot of my nerd fan from friends. I've watched a few, but from what I have seen, like yeah, there's not always a big there's not always a big discussion even within within the animes, of moral compass, things like that, and so to explore that within the confines of you know, because anime itself can be very fantastical. So to ground it in that way, to make it a bit more relatable to an audience is who, because you're you're going to attract a lot of anime fans, obviously because it's built into it. You might turn them onto a new line of thinking that they've never considered before, and that's going to help build that audience out. That's that's really cool. See here. Best listen to this one is that you guys? All Right, so big movie fans? Yeah, so why the I'll ask this. Why the why the lists of bad movies and I good movies? I think it's really easy to point out all the good things about good movies and that's like what's always focused on. You know, it's like, Oh, this one movie gets everything, but there's a whole bunch of like people like really awful movies, people I'n't heard about. So I think this is a lot more fun to watch really awful things. I don't disagree. Some of my favorite pastimes have been like with friends on the couch watching terrible horror movies on like Amazon prime and just left. I watch one recently about a killer couch and just told them we just talked about it today. That was one of that. That is the best two hours of my life I have spent in a long time. Oh my God, not to mention Stanta jaws. I don't have anybody watch Santa Jaws this year, but it was about a killer shark with a Santa Hat on his fin just. Okay, yeah, Kill the killer Sofa one which, by the way, it's not even a couch, is a recliner. But we can debate that, lady. The the way that the it looked like it had eyes in a Perma scal was just I want to watch that movie again now. If what's he about doing a show like this guy's? It's just the last thirty seconds here. You say bad, terrible movies that are fun to watch. We all, we all immediately relate. And and also that itself is inherently funny. Talking about bad movies is inherently funny. which comedy podcasts are crazy popular, and if somebody can laugh while listening to something instant poll so absolutely. Like. What are some of the ones, you guys? Are Other than the Killer Sofa, because that movie was amazing. What like? What do you guys? What do you get any off top of your head? You want to talk about like that? You have in mind? We got all list awesome. Do you know what food boy is? That's fine. No, no idea. It's bad. Yeah, thanks killing, yes, thanksgiving, Turkey. Yes, I got Oh velas of pastor. That's a good movie. That movie is a treasure.

That movie is a trick. But boy is what I didn't add. But boys pretty good. That's an Amazon they're all on Amazon prime's that's where they all like the line that like really bad my action remakes, like the Mario One and like the you're talking. You're talking to a guy who saw that in theaters. Wow, I'm old that would saw that in theaters when it was released. Talk about a movie that broke some hearts. That movie is good, so so that I think movie. I mean and and ninety percent of the podcast I listen to our movie podcasts. So that's already like something I'd be I'd be into. And Yeah, there are a ton of podcasts that like to focus on the good ones because, Ay, they know everybody's probably seen them. And also, I think that's sometimes with especially with movie podcast there's this wanting to avoid negativity. And what I what I like to say is just because the movies bad doesn't mean you got to be negative about it. You can. You can rip something a new one and still, in a way, be positive about it if your purpose is not to like, like degrade the movie, but just shine a light on its flaws. And also you can make it funny. You know, you can find you can find the diamond and rough. You can find a movie like Killer Sofa that's objectively awful, but have the time of your life watching it and talking about it. I mentioned the I mentioned that movie. We all started laughing and talking about it. So there's a there's a there's a there's a strange coming together you can have talking about bad movie. So so I like it. Let's see the medical interview. You show mine, tell me about it, man. So I'm essentially going to be like interviewing different doctors that either I personally know or like someone else, like someone's parents. Nothing like seeing how they got into med school and reasons, like how covid affected them and how recently, like why like the different changes to the tests, like act in the mcat, how they're changing their colleges, I've been changing it. I want to see, like their few points and why people should go into medical because, like, there's a shortage of doctors right now and it's something that I feel like younger, like my generation, should know to go into these like colleges and try to try to help them to go into these premaed colleges and routes. That's that. I definitely could not tell you too many shows, at least not that I've heard of, that that focus on the medical field, like that. So I think that's great. You know a lot of doctors. That's that's strange for a person your age. Is Everything, okay, everything, okay, okay, it's cut. Spends a lot of time with a doctor. All right, so that's that's really cool spential because you have that personal connection to it. Again, going back to what we've hit a few times today, is having a personal connection with something, being able to show and prove that that you care, that that that you that you are into it, is going to translate really well to to your listeners. And we're in a time right now, because of the pandemic, where there's a lot of attention and focus on medical science and medical professionals, and so say, I guess that's good to my transcripts and it looks great on your transcript. Is that something you're going to go to school for? Is is in a medical field? Yeah, so see, there you go right there. College is love that stuff, just saying, and college is love podcast in general, because it shows you're willing to commit to something and and put in the time, in the effort. Now, whether or not that podcast is about the medical field or killer furniture is really not that big a deal. But yes, the idea of getting to talk to doctors,...

...because I think, I think a lot of people, you know, they watch gray's anatomy, but they have no idea actually like how any people actually became doctors. I'm not such really the actors do either. But you know, shows like gray's anatomy er, which was on for like ten years, the you know, people love watching the medical shows, but I don't think they actually know a whole. You know, scrubs, for crying out loud, was, was still is still talked about to this day. So being able to get the inside scoop on how how that field kind of actually works, I think is going to scratch an edge a lot of people don't realize they have. So that's that's great. Let's see what's okay. So what's The playlist show? Who's doing the playlist show? That's you. So okay. What kind of playlists? Okay. So basically I just spend like a like way too much of my time making like really specific playlist based on like certain events in my life, are like certain feelings or like certain like words, like just very, very specific and I really like to share a new music. So I'm basically just going to be like reviewing my own playlists and like making fun of my new tobe taste a little bit and like just looking for new music suggestions and just basic commentary on like the band's I like that's really cool. I'm a big music fan, you know, work in radio for ten years and and I have, I like, making playlists myself. Usually mine are like playlists of like the set lists of band played at one of their shows. You say that your show, your playlists get really specific. Are we talking like the first time my dog tried wet food specific, or like what we are we talking about here? Like it like some of some of them are like very specific events, but some of them are just like okay, when I when I listen to this song, like I feel like I'm eating an orange, and so like I have a playlist that's like about like what it feels like like eat an orange and like listen to the song. It's like very specific. I that is that, that is that is specific. See. So first of more things I love about this is so because it's a music podcast, you've got to be careful because because copyright is a thing, and so with music podcasts, one of the things that people tend to run into Stra in terms of obstacles is incorporating the music into their show, because just talking about why a song is good it's old real quick. People want to hear the song to believe it for themselves. And despite the number of laws there are that protect content creators like us in terms of using music, most platforms don't follow those rules. If you youtube, for example, there are all kinds of laws that protect people who want to use movie clips or songs in their videos or podcasts that youtube just does not care about. They will pull your episode down the minute it gets uploaded and you will spend weeks trying to get it re uploaded again, even if you follow the law to the letter. So just be aware of that and be careful that just because you follow the rules doesn't mean they're going to care. So that can be frustrating, but don't let that deter you. I hosted several music podcasts. You just kind of you to kind of just roll with it and and you know, again, you just where you can, but as long as you're not, like you know, just playing whole entire songs, just don't. Don't do it. I will say the more obscure your music, like like I did one where every every band or artist I...

...played was from band camp. So it was really like not most of them weren't on a label. It kind of lowered the risk of of copyright strikes because most of them were happy to have your music featured. But regardless of all that, that's the kind of thing that can be really good at building a community around your show because, and I'm already thinking like you can, you know, you can have it to where people can submit ideas for playlists. They one here, like make a playlist for songs that are great for days where the temperatures between seventy and seventy five degrees. I don't know, get us weirdly specific is going. It's six, yeah, and you can have that kind of feedback and because building a community, and again, this is more remarkating thing, but building a community around your show is one of the most fulfilling things you can have as a host, because not only they listening to your show, they're getting involved. They want to be they want to be a part of the show, and that can and so music playlist similar to movie playlists, are great for that sort of thing, because everyone's got an opinion about music. Everyone's got an opinion about movies and, whether you want to hear their opinions or not, they're gonna tell you if you like something, a song or a band that they think sucks, they will not hesitate to tell you your taste of music is terrible, or vice versa. If you happen to pick one of one of their favorite bands, are artist that they thought nobody else ever listen to, they're going to get so excited. So that is fantastic. Let's see, we're running low on time here. The basketball opinion show. Oh yeah, it's that's me. It's not actually like an opinion shally. I know the name is kind of I don't know, I just kind of came up with that, but it's like I go through different chant my favorite like championship rosters, and then be a and I basically break down why I like them and how they want basically. So, like, for example, my first episode is I'm looking at the two thousand and sixteen cavaliers who came back from like a one deficit in the finals, right, and like it was like a huge moment for Ohio and stuff. Right. So that's my first episode. And then I'm doing one with like the old four Pistons, who were like insanely underdogs. They don't have any hall of famers on their team, right. And so I'm just looking at teams that I think are like unique or like really cool and I'm just breaking down how they want that championship like and stories about them and stuff. And then I'm doing one special episode where I basically just go through different players with like really crazy stories, you know on Dennis Rodman or whatever, right, and and I'm just gonna like talk about my favorite fun stories and NBA. So that's like one special episode. Not that's really cool. I remember that two thousand and sixteen cavs. So I I work for the local ABC station. I work in the control room, I run I run the commercial breaks and things like that, and I was running the working the board the when when that championship happened, and I mean you could hear the whole office erupted. I mean the news team was sitting in there and waiting to go live and I could hear them through the sit downproof walls. I mean we were we were so excited for that. And it's with sports podcast you well, I like what you're doing because you're keeping it. You're very broad. You're talking about something from from from two thousand and sixteen, but that's people are going to want to listen to. With sports podcast a lot of people fall into especially when you get sports specific is when that sport is in the offseason, what do you talk about? Like this is probably something that I could do. That would be way utter. So yeah, my problem I don't know how to make it like more laid back. You know, it's something that requires a lot of research and like I don't know. So...

I don't know how to do that, because yesterday I tried to record for the first time and it took me so long and I didn't get much contents. I'm still kind of worried about that. You know, that is that is podcasting one hundred and one, my friend. That is when you're when you're first starting out and doing it, you are going to sit there and spend hours and hours and hours getting that first episode done and you're going to hate it. You are going hate it, because I was like, man, what is this? What did I do? What am I doing? Dude? I've been doing I've been doing this for so long I hate the sound of my own voice. So exactly, I can listen to my own show like I'll be in the we just dropped the new episode today. I'm going to pull it up in the car as I drive to work later tonight and I'm just going to sit there and just twitch whenever I talk, because we're just like no, but people will, people are listening, so I'm doing something right. So yeah, but when you first get started, man like because you're just talking to yourself and for an extended period of time you may have a cohoster or not, but regardless, you're speaking into the void and and you can start. If you start to think about it, you can feel silly because you're like, I'm talking to myself. Anybody walking past the room right now would think I was high. It's plain and simple, and so that I can feel intimidating and feel scary. But once you get that first one done, it is a floodgate opener because suddenly you can say I did it, it's done. Now there's nowhere to do but just work on the next one. And Yeah, because you're doing a, for lack of a better term, is storracle kind of podcast talking about things that happen previously. There's a lot of research to do and with any podcast there's pretty going to be research to do. My show is it's two comedians sitting around talking about current events and what makes them stupid. But we stought to know something about those things that are going on. Our our episode for this week is about this dogecoin thing and about the AMC in game stop stock incident from a little while back. I know very little about that kind of thing, but my cohost is super into that stuff, so it really the show kind of turns into him educating me as well as the audience. Is the what actually went down with that incident. So doing the same thing with with a basketball podcast, you know, and also again choosing to focus on big stuff, like you're not talking about the game from you know, may, five, two thousand and you know eleven. You know that nobody remembers. You're talking about woman. Yeah, so the information will be there and again it's a moment that people remember that was emotional for a lot of basketball fans. So again that built an audience is there and people are going to want to are going to want to listen. One thing I could I could advise for having trouble is try to try to pretend like you're just you just talking about it with your friends, like pretend you're just sitting and having a basketball chat with your buddies at lunch or something like that. I almost said over a beer, but now don't do that and make that if you're struggling with how to make it sound, you know, more relaxed. You know, have that conversation with your buddies. Record, record yourself talking about it with your buddies. You know you can record it on your phone. Just sit down and be hey, guys, let's talk about that two thousand and sixteen a cavs championship and just and just record that and see how it goes. You don't have to publish that as your episode, but you can use that as kind of that that litmus test for okay, is this what I wanted to sound like, or is there something that comes up in this that I can work with the kind of just get that edge off a little bit. You know what I mean? Cool Man. Lastly, because I know we're about... a time here, there was one. It was the being an American Indian teenager, and I just kind of just like like talking about me and my life, experiences I've had or things I wish I would have known, and super laid back. It's just like kind of like a conversation, like with a friend or just like, I don't know, just like reflecting online, and those are the podcast that I like to listen to and, you know, wish I would have had something like relatable when I was like. So, yeah, that's kind of just what I'm going for. That thing right there that you just said that you wish you'd had that when you were growing up, is going to be such a huge driving point for your show, because I guarantee there are so many other young people out there, or even younger than you, in your exact situation, who have had those experiences or feel like they are the only one who has had them and that nobody can relate to them, and they're looking for a place to to find that Camaraderie, and your kind of show can be that exact thing. It's ridiculously relatable, whether that's a good or a bad thing, to a lot of people out there who are the children of immigrants, who are just for the first time coming to coming here, especially given the current climate of things of the last few years, whatever that may be. It's going to again, similar to like we were talking about with the young lady with the music show and the gentleman with the basketball show, it's going to just kind of organically build a community. People are going to want to hear about those experiences and they're going to relate to them and they're you know, event they're going to want to reach out. You know, they're going to want to say, Hey, I can relate to that or hey, you know, did you? They might say, Hey, you felt this way. Did you ever? Considers is going. It's going to naturally insight conversation and that's one of the great things that podcasts can do, especially one like that that. That's the kind of show that I think people right now are really really looking for, is that kind of experience, because we're starting to hear a lot more stories about that, about out and we hear them all the time from celebrities about, you know, how their family came to the states and stuff like that, but hearing it from regular people about how how their family came to this country, the things they've had to indore, positive or negative, because of their ethnicity or their origins or whatever the case. Maybe it opens a lot of doors again for community and conversation, and so I think that's I think that's a fantastic idea. And again, like we talked about everybody here, it's extremely personal and passionate to you. It's something you care very much about and that's going to come across when you're speaking, when you record, people are going to hear that in your voice. I think that's fantastic. All right, so I only got a couple minutes left, so I wanted to go ahead and just any any other questions anybody has about anything we've said so far. Really Hey. Well, I'll tell what I'm going to do. So because I know you guys are working really hard on this and you've got a lot more going on. You're going to talk about marking stuff later on. I'm going to give my contact information to your teacher. If you guys ever at any point want to reach out send me a demo of your episode just ask any other questions you might have. Anything like that. You guys can always reach out to me and then Aaron. As far as like like like like logos, podcast logos, like are you guys cut bring that like we're where's that fallen in terms of this shit? And so for logos, my sister in law is a graphic designer and she had we've got we're waiting on a couple more to come in, but everybody who wanted one through that is going to have one. So we're actually we've got some cool one so far. But yeah, we're covered there. I think one of the...

...other things that potentially, you know they're unsure of. We're starting the social media today. So, and I know you're really active in that, we're going to have somebody come in next week talking about building up a brand. But like any quick advice about as you're starting to build up that, because I mean they're they're creating the pages and accounts today, so they're really in those early stages so far as social media goes. Post often. Post often, because that's how you going to get you know instagram. You know that. INSTAGRAM and facebook both none of them show the most recent posts. They show you the whatever's popular that you know. You can switch to the most recent feed, but that's not what they're showing you by default. Post often show that you have an active social media presence. That's going to look look great for your audience because that's going to let them know that you that they can stay updated with you and also communicate through social media. Meaning of anybody comments, like the comment and you know you just say thanks the comment. Stay active, stay involved on the social media with your show instant I will tell you right now. INSTAGRAM is the place to be for podcasts because you can do so many things with promotional art, promotional videos, my show with a little my show is a little NSFW. But if you feel so inclined, to check out our instagram to get some ideas. I don't tell your parents I said that you had to, but I'm there's some for a teacher. So they're they've heard worst. This is this is new for me. I don't know what I'm legally allowed to say and not say. You guys, go check out our instagram. You let me give you the handle, because I'm it's early in the morning for me and I don't and I'm blanking on if there's an underscore or not in it, because we have problems with that. TBL pod, a tbl underscore pod. Tbl underscore pod. We Post. I post on there. I try to post on their every other day. reminded. I just put a put up a new post today because our new episode dropped. I'm going to wait a couple days and put up another post reminding them of the new episode or directing them to our patreon or to our twitter or leave a review or something. But yeah, the biggest advice I can have is just stay active on the social media and, like I said, I'll leave my contact and fote with with Arran's. You guys can reach out to me any time you want. I will follow for follow and I can. I really hope. I want to hear. I want to hear you guys as shows once they're ready to be heard. I really want to hear here here the the first episodes of all your shows. I'm looking forward to it. I love the ideas all you guys have. All right. Well, thanks again, Mike. Thank you, I appreciate it and we'll talk again soon here. All Right, folks, that'll do it for this week's episode of the Basement Lounge. If you want to follow US Online, you can follow Mike Wells on twitter and instagram at Mike WTF Wells, and you can follow me, Mike Shay, at Mr Mike Shay on twitter and Instagram as well. You also follow this show on twitter in Instagram at tbl underscore pod, and we got a brand new website under construction for you guys, with some cool new stuff coming down the line as well, so stay tuned for that. In the meantime, we'll cut you guys again the next week with another episode and until then, as always, live well, rock on, take care and bub bye.

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