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Season 0, Episode 3 · 5 months ago

Interview with Travis Brown | The VIP Table #3

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Hey they're basement launch fans.Welcome to another installment of the Vit table is the special patrem towardshow where we sit down with especially guest every month and talk to abouttheir career and what they got going on had a couple of great gests so far andour guest today is very special. You know we have a lot of success in theshow to this guy and everything he's been turning on and all the help hegoes for podcast out there. Just you know for warning you the showis powered and sponsored by pod decks. You guys need to go tvlit to go, go tenpercent off your total purchase, and that would not be possible without theguests that we have here, and that is, as I admit him into the zoom calledTravis Brown from Hodde going on my man, Hey man, how you doinglive in the dream. Man! Don't wake me up? Okay, all right! Well, we'll trynot to wake you up at walls. Try Not to put you to sleep today, as we talk withyou. Travis is the the CEO T, e t e t e e. The mighty leader of pod decks andthe podcast builder club and we're going to talk about all that and aswell as just where, how you, how you got to this point in life Travis and,let's, let's start off right away with with pod decks, because they have been a favorite product of mine.Even then, I'm not just saying that as someone with a show who sponsored myfive decks, be using it for a while now and where did, which? Where did thisidea of pod decks come from? Am Yeah, so it's crazy man. This is this. Thiswhole ride over the last like year was was amazing because PODEX was actuallyan accident, so I've been editing podcast for a long time. As an agency,you run out of time. I can't have any more clients, so I made a course: I'mlike I'll still be able to help people podcast and make really great content,and so, as a bonus for the course, I was going to send people a deck ofcards with my favorite. What I at the time called friends questions. I had alist of questions on my phone that when I was at a dinner party or like theconversation, was just kind of boring, I would like spice it up and I'd askthese questions and people would always freak out to be like. Oh, that was somuch fun, you're the life of the Party and I'm, like you know, it's reallyeasy. When you've got a really great question, so watch the course I soldtwo and no more, and I was like hm that's weird, and then I startedpromoting that. I had these cards that you could elevate your conversationselevate, your interviewing skills and people kept emailing me saying I don'twant the course. What are those cards so I said Hm this must be somethingpeople are interested as a tool, so I pressed ten decks and made an ad onInstar with my phone just made a little video and put it up and I sold out andthat I pressed a hundred and I sold out- and here I am now with thousands of podcast ers all over theworld, using pod decks as a tool to spark conversations to have fun to bespontaneous, and I keep a five year journal and every day I write down likethree things that happened and it just happened recently where it was justlike Pod, deck's idea, and it was like and then a year later here I am I'mconnected amazing, podcast ers like yourself, and we have this communityand we have an APP now and I'm like who would have thought I would I neverwould have guessed. This is what would have allowed me to be so connected topeople. You know it's funny. You mentioned how far you've come, and I Iremember that Instar ad, I remember it was like three am and I was on my phoneLing at my face growl and I was like pod that what the hell is this and yeah.I think, as I ordered it, because the cool thing with with the APP is that ifyou order a physical deck, you can use the order code. Yep have the deck addedto the APP. I ordered my decks so long ago. I can't add them to the AP. Oh wegot to get you your order number then my it's but either way it's, butregardless it's like it's like that's just how far back this is gone and howfar it's come since then, and just how much when this show first started- andI was really getting my feet wet with...

...with the one on one interviewing howmuch that interview deck really did help. We turned it into kind of a rapidfire question game and it's great to see how versal this this tool can be,and but what I, what I'm curious about is because you have the podcastbuilders club podcast, where you o drop ten. What like, where does your podcastbackground comment from before sure yeah? So I used to be a touringmusician. I used to play rock and roll punk rock. I don't know if you heard ofthe vans warp tour, but his tour all over the country and play music and sobeing in front of a microphone being an extrovert entertaining really justcomes natural to me from that aspect, but through that journey I learned howto record music record bands and learned all about audio engineering, soonce I finally decided to no longer be a gypsy and sleep on couches and partyall day, I said I got to get a job, so I drive to thiscubicle a job I hated. But at some point I learned about podcast I startedlistening to podcast I was like dude. These are all sound, terrible and basedon the experience that I have, I could probably help people make like reallygood sounding podcast and that's what I decided to do. I was like.Maybe I could help people so the first thing I did, which was what everybodydoes as I started a podcast with my friends and we, you know, shout theshit and joked around and stuff and then, as I started, to help otherpeople. I had less time to do my own podcast. I was working on everybodyelse's podcast, but during those times I would do little project. So I did aan audio documentary about a band called the smoking popes that I lovewhere it's just all interviews and stitch together, and then I did a showcalled unlimited data, where I was just like jokes and trump jokes and and bits,and I've done a bunch of different things. But I thought: Hey, I'm alwaystelling people ways that they can grow their shows. Why don't I just podcastabout podcast ing which I know is like Super Meta, but it was a great way forme to get back into podcast ing, because how disingenuous is it to bethe guy who's teaching you how to podcast if he doesn't even podcasthimself, so I thought this will be a perfect way where I can do the thing Ilove to do and share some value and meet New People. I that's that's great I was I was. Iwas talking with some folks on Club House, the other day about getting intopodcast ing and rain. Storming new ideas- and I come up with ideas forshows all the time, because what I find is, I want a certain kind of show tolisten to and if I can't find it I'm like well, then screw it I'll make itmyself, because it's not there best make the art you want to see in theworld. Man. If you don't hear the music, you want to listen to go make it. Ifyou don't see the art yous want to see, go make it. If you don't have thePODCAST, you want to listen to go, make it and there's so many, especially inthe last year, with with how the pandemic you know, the silver lining ofeverything is all these tools, like zoom and stream yard things that mayhave existed prior to the pandemic, but have now seen this huge influx becauseof the necessity and the way that we've been able to integrate those thingsinto podcast ing. Just in the last few months, things like sounder and podpage that have come to fruition. Yeah really change the game, and you know itwas through you that I discovered those things how you know like? Can you kind of giveus an idea of like how you've seen podcast ing evolved since like when youfirst got started to where it's at now absolutely yeah? So when it firststarted out, it was a like, mostly interview, podcast, the format being that, like I'm, goingto start a show and I'm going to find people to interview- and that was likeI. What I would say is ninety percent of what podcast were. It was like twopeople, comrading conversation, three people having a conversation and, aswe've gone closer to two thousand and twenty one from a decade ago, contentis become more curate, so true, crime just took a sky rocket because peoplereally like these audio documentary story, telling kind of podcast and ofcourse, the news right. People have...

...completely adopted listening to podcastas a new source as opposed to watching channel seven. So it started to evolvebecause people realized that they could disseminate information through thismedium to the entire globe, without any censorship, without needing to be on aplatform freely, which is amazing because twenty years ago, if you had apirate radio station, you would get like your door kicked in by the FI andthey take you down. But now it's like anybody can start a radio station anddo pretty much anything they want on it. So what I'm seeing a trend in now is moreniche content, so, as opposed to just having a conversation with two people,it's more like focused in on these little hyper niches like fishing orbaking or TV shows. You know with the pandemic, every celebrity was stuck andthey all had to start a podcast which brought thousands more ears into thepool right so really great for podcast ing, and I think it's the best medium becauseyou can listen to it when you're doing other things, it's pretty easy to make.In my opinion, obviously I have an audio background but like as opposed tofilming a Yutu, video and editing it having dealing stuff. This is wayeasier and you don't have to write anything down. You can just talk, and,and so it really makes it, it really gives everybody a level playing fieldto share the information they want to share as opposed to having to have acamera or having to have a TV show. That'll put your stuff out it really. Ithink it's really come a long way as far as the the acceptance from thegeneral population and then the technology, like you, said Zoom thatallows people to become creators yeah. I remember a few years ago. I was I dostand up here in town and we were. We were doing a roast and everyone whowent up on stage when it was their turn to take shots at me. It was alwaysabout the fact that I was as a podcast. Nobody listens to which Mary mad havebeen true, but it's so funny that I look to now. I have those same peoplecoming to me like so like I would get into podcast ing yeah, exactly yeah,you were the you were the outlier of the group and the Butt of the joke isnow the the mentor and for for me, I got into it because I came from a radiobackground and with the way the radio industry has taken, but still kind ofwanted to feel some of that scratch. That itch a little bit is where my lovefor podcast ing came from, and I actually remember when I was in coll inhigh school. I talked I for Career Day. I interviewed a radio DJA and he said-and he was also a comedian, the thing about podcast radio and I guess podcast ingas well, that appeals to Comedians and entertainers, you know being a musicianlike yourself. Is You get to have them? You get to have a microphone in frontof your face all the time. Yes and it's just you're, creating, like you, said,you're, creating your own content, creating your own shows and that youdon't have to worry about, like you can obviously like if you want to, but youdon't have to worry about the video aspect and right which got a sound goodyeah. You could podcast straight up from your phone like right now. Youcould just like open up the voice, Memel AP and start telling your beststory, and you could even just forward it to your friends in a text and youkind of have a podcast. I mean it's not it. The barrier to entry is so low that you know people can get into itwithout a radio background like you've got the awesome voice in the radiobackground, but a lot of people don't they're just like. I would love toshare my stories, but I don't know what to do, and so you know we have this bigopportunity that you know. I hope I hope people have taken something awayfrom Ovid and been like. Okay, I'm paused. What what is the thing? Ireally want to try now and try that or learn or grow or move. You know, andit's been a really great year for podcast ing, I mean. Obviously, deathand sickness is terrible, but I'm so happy that people have finally said youknow what like anything's possible tomorrow, wasn't guaranteed. I'm wantto finally do that. PODCAST, I've Ben a started talking about you know, andit's never. It's never be like you mentioned. It's never been easier withwith things like sounder or I know...

...people are touch and go in this. But,like anger, were you literally and do everything from an AP on your phone,and I remember talking with a friend of mine, we were working on a sere on ascripted cereal show right when the pandemic first hit- and I was talking Iwas thinking like this- is- were like people who are making content likepodcast are going to see just this influx of new listeners and what I didn't counton was also just a massive influx of content, and so what I think ended uphappening was. We saw a huge increase in listener ship, but we also saw anincrease in shows and it kind of almost like they don't want to stay cancelled,each other out but kind of a little bit as the whole thing out. I don't know ifyou've seen something if you've noticed anything similar to that or if you'vesee as different. So what I've seen is that, with the with a decline in traveland commuting that that is typically a time that people would turn their carinto like a mobile learning station or entertainment station. So we lost someof that activity and you know with more podcast out to listen to like, like Imentioned the celebrities all came to the table. You know people had to makedecisions because it's a zero, some game. If I listen to your podcast, I'mtypically not listening to another podcast right. So that's where thereally good content wins is because people will stick with you, but havingall those options made it a little bit chaotic for well what what content do?I actually listen to so one of the trends I've seen is just sort of like alittle bit shorter content, more that that that Sitcom, twenty five to thirtyfive minute bite size or something that fits in your routine like walking a dogfor fifteen minutes in the morning and being able to be either entertained oreducated through that, and once everybody gets poked twice here, thelonger form content will pick back up because people have lots of places togo and things to do and they're going to want to get that entertainment inthe same capacity. So, with all growth, there are challenges, but I do think with theworld. Opening back up we'll also see a decrease in content. Now, becausepeople will be like, oh well, I'm not going to do that any more, it's toohard and then all the people that have really developed their system anddevelop their audience if they keep going they're going to win, becausewhen you take that take all those shows out that they were listening to thatthey're, not long, no longer listening to and you're still there well there'stwo more ears for the podcast yeah. That's when you mentioned that,because I was thinking about that the other day, how takes to travel a lotfor doing stand up or doing you know I was. I was making short films so forFilm Festivals and when I knew I had a trip coming up, I'dusually been on the road. You know nine to twelve hours. I would intentionallylike not listen to podcast that I had been listening to so that we, when Ihad the twelve hour drive, I could just marathon episode, he'd build it up,yeah and, and it would make the drive go by somewhat shorter. Now I havefound that since the most the most traveling I do, is my fifteen minutedrive to work every day. Yeah, I'm not I'm not digesting. The longer is a lotof the shows I listen to are like longer movie review, shows and thinkstuff, I'm not digestic as many of those, because when I'm at the House, I'm I'm doingcorrect things or making things as opposed to just sitting in the car. SoT S, that's that's interesting. You mentioned that. I can give you a flipside to that. My Wife, who has known about podcast forever, was never apodcast consumer until covied hit and then because her her communis too short,so she could never really get into anything and now she's obsessed, Iwatch her go like Oh podcast. Am I going to listen to today, and I justlaugh because I'm like I've been telling you about podcast for a decadeand now now you're, officially like you're, the consumer and- and I reallyhave a creator mind set, so I don't consume as much as I used to becauseI'm trying to make more stuff. But it's just it's interesting to see somebodywho is completely aware of a medium who's now. Finally, all in so, I thinkit's win win when it comes to listeners...

...and creatorship. It's funny. It's funnyyou with with the being because you're in the creator or Ono, listen to asmany I do. The same thing with people ask me all the time, because I he standup like Oh ju see so and so special. I don't watch a lot of comedy specials,because I'm trying to write jokes, I don't want their stuff in my head sure,and so, when you're so focused on making the content. I can see how thatwould be thing where you don't want to listen to too many other podcast,because you don't want necessarily to like be the unconscious influence. Yeah,you don't want to be too derivative without realizing it absolutely A. Ican imagine like as a comedian. You know it's really important to make surethat you're creating something original, and you know it's anything that we lookat influences us no matter. If we know it or not, so you know you have to becareful, but I do think a lot of people fall into the trap of like onlyconsuming and wishing they were creators and what that requires fromyou, as a creator is to car out time where you're not consuming and you'reactually spending time making things. So it's a it's a delicate bounce. Now Istill listen to podcast and I got a blue tooth speaker in the shower andyou know, but you know, of course, my car and all those places, so I do stilllisten to podcast, just not as much as I was when I was out in the world,because I just maximizing my time to on the steering a little moretowards the l more personal here. So you mentioned, you know your tourmusician for a number of years on the van's Work Tor, which is awesome yeah,so you're married married with kids, yeah lockd. How long o you been marriedfor I've been married for thirteen years, a happily married for thirteenyears and two kids. I got a five and a three year old, a boy and a girl. I gota perfect set so I've. You know I got the old snipper one and I'm done it's hilarious because my kids, youknow what you can't see here- is an entirejust shipping station of pod decks, and so my kids think a podcast is calledpod deck. So when they come to my desk, they want to play with the road casterand they say I want to do a pod deck. I want to do a pod, dext whut. I justthink it's Hilarious, so horrible. I love it. How much do you love that road,caster man, it's a great piece man? It was. It was probably one of the betterinvestments like I've. Had this this particular microphone the seven B for adecade, because it's I used to use it for recording bands and vocal. So itwas just something I had, but the road caster really just its dream lines. So many of the thingsin the process to have great audio- and so I mean if they sold a two channelone I would buy it. I don't need all four channels, but it's it's. It's a nobrain er investment for any PODCAST ER. In my opinion, I think people I thinkpeople are first look like it because it mean it is made by road it'sexpensive little bit, but I can say it was the best check. I mean it stillhurt physically hurt to press the check out button. It was like Ow, but it was.It was so worth it in the end of yeah. But if you look at seven hundred bucksand you amortized it over five years, you know, would you pay a hundred andtwenty five dollars to have a really great piece of equipment? That makesyour life easier for seven years? Or would you rather just keep pressing allthese buttons on your dog trying to figure it out like, in my opinion, it levels a playing field for everybody tohave great audio? When I got I got into that point to where I was like, I keepspending the low dollars, but I'm always having to constantly upgradeconstantly get something new. Let me just spend the big money and have thething that's going to l the same thing with the seven B Yep, with withinvesting in a I have a custom build Pec. It was like I might as well justspend the money and have the thing it's going to last a long time, as opposedto always being temperamental as much as I love. You know, I still love anduse my zoom recorder from that now and but yeah. You know well, there's an oldsaying it's by cheap by twice and it's true, no matter what you're buying youbuy a cheap car you're going to buy again you buy a cheap TV you're goingto buy another one again so like what...

...what I recommend for people that thinkthey want to start. A podcast is first, just use your phone and record yourbest story and listen back to it and if it, if it gives you goose bumps, if itlike really lights, you up then start looking for a microphone but peoplethey bill the stuff because they think okay, this is the stuff I need, butit's not always the right thing that they need, and so, if you figure outthat you really want to do this, then you can make a good investment inthings. That'll. Last you forever like this microphone. You could put it in anuclear. You know fusion machine and it would still work.So if you buy good equipment, you're going to make a good product and thenyou can keep podcast Ng, which is which is the whole key. I get that I get thatquestion a lot like how much money should I have set aside. What should Iget him was like it. I always tell him the same thing. It depends on how muchyou want to do this. It depends on how much you're willing to its abso yeah.If you want to do this for Shits and Giggles, twenty bucks tops if you're looking the,but you know because I think it's because they see the set up by half andthey're like do. I need to spend all that money. It's like no. I chose to myI used to have people come over to the set for the first time, but the old andthe old place and they'd say wow man, you must have a really good job and Iwould just tell them no. I just make really poor financial decision putting my money in the wrong thingsallegedly, but I love it. How did? How did your wife first reactwhen you told her you're going to quit your job to to sell on the tell a soshe's very supportive, so I'm the creative of the family? SoI'm the guy, who wants to make things and she's more analytical. So as soonas I could show her the numbers that I could you know meet my end of the thebargain of our finances that she was totally fine with it. So you know myadvice for anybody. WHO's married or in a relationship is to set a budgetfigure out what your life costs split it between you and your spouse, andthen we have supper bank accounts and we have a joint bank account, and soall the money for the bills goes in the joint bank account. We have our ownmoney, we have our own. You know we have a savings, account together and wenever fight about money, because we know exactly what we need to do and weput the money in there and the rest is just like. If you want to buy a millionlipsticks go crazy. If I want to buy cameras and lights and all this stuff,it's on me right so she's super supportive and she I don'tthink I could have done it without a support of spouse, because there's somedays where I wake up- and I'm like- I am- I crazy, like I just had fifteenthousand with a deck- show up on my front door boxes and boxes and boxes,and sometimes I go like what am I doing right, but you got to be a little crazy.You got to believe so and getting into I want to talk us wantto talk. Is You just launched this thing? In the last week, podcastBuilder Club is going you going full O git. With this tell tell the folks whomaybe don't know about the podcast builder club like we is an what you'redoing so. This all started out by building a really great face book group.So I've got a face book group, it's free, it's six hundred and forty realpodcast ers and we've kept the group really clean. So we don't allow peopleto just spam and and leave it's really real people, and I think it's probablythe best podcast group I've ever been a part of, and so through that I'm ableto help six hundred and forty podcast rs through this group try to give themtips, tricks networking training, but at the same time I'm sort of limited inwhat I can do for six hundred and forty people. So I've been investing inmaster mine groups for a long time, I'll spend you know between a thousandand three thousand dollars every quarter on being around people who arewhere I want to be, because I truly believe that if you're around peoplewho are learning and growing you're going to you're going to grow faster,so I invest in those things and I see thegrowl five ten hundred times growth in the things I'm doing so I said I'mgoing to try to do this with just like ten podcast ers. I started somethingcalled the inner circle where I can have. Ten people come in pay a smallmonthly fee and I can really get hands...

...on with their podcast, because it'sreally hard to help six hundred people once, but if I can really get hands onwith like ten different podcast and show people the growth they'll know that I know what I'mtalking about here and they'll see. My mission is to help other people grow.These big shows, so it was just kind of the next step in you come into my world with Pod deckand you got a tool and then I do have some courses and some things that Ihave an APP and then I have the group, and so the community aspect andteaching is something. That brings me a lot of joy, and so I do charge a lot ofmoney to consult like big companies, but I wanted to make something that wasaffordable, that people could invest in and if they didn't show up, it wouldhurt just enough to make them realize like Oh, I should be showing up tothese group meetings and stuff, so I'm super excited about it's just aboutfull and I can't wait till like document where they start and then,where we end up in a few months or years or we, however long they stay,and you know I can, I can personally attest to like that. You guys know whatyou're talking about you know we have we've implemented so many of the thingsthat you've suggested over the last couple of years into our show and, asyou know, we've seen a really nice building momentum with our. So withinthe last month and everything from giving you trying out, sounder and- andyou know, pod page was, it was huge. The Lot bag thing was massive for us,but also just little. Things like I was writing the most overly detailed cluttered show notes going out theepisode. It was ridiculous and it was driving me crazy and just even that,when you went, I remember the episode where you explain how to just break itdown into you know the three questions the bullet points and I was likethere's no way like as its like. Is it really that simple and then I'm justlike wow? This doesn't hurt my head nearlyas much anymore or just the loss of headache alone made it worth itabsolutely and that's. One of my main goals is like reduce, overwhelm right.I, like the number one thing: that's going to keep people from podcast ing,is putting all these these barriers in front of them. So if I can break allthose barriers down and keep them creative and keep them doing the thingthat's fun. It brings me a lot of joy and when you tell me these things likethis is what fills up my tank. It's not dollars in a bank account it's whenpeople tell me like hey, listen, that one thing changed, my podcast it really.I can't even express like it fills me up again, so I can keep going so thankyou for sharing that, because that's why I do this. It's because I'mpassionate about it and it's I want to change the world and this capacity. SoI really do appreciate that yeah and on. I think it's important for people toknow to. Like you know, we hear all the time we see people with podcast andvideo shows who talk about their sponsors and you're like well they're,just they're selling, something you know we reached out to you guys. Youknow through your affiliate program, because we'd used your product, we useyour podcast information and we were benefiting from it so much so we reallywanted to. You know have that partnership. So it'slike we, we got to help. You know drip traffic towards these guys and share inthat, because it really I mean it really for those who haven't maybe seenthe social media. I mean we crossed five thousand downloads this past week,which is awesome man. That's he it's insane to me when I think this is thisis the third podcast I've done in my life and I'm just sitting back justkind of message, our cup my Cos Mike about, and he was just he called me assoon as he got the message just like you got to be kidding me yeah, we're two we're two comedian idiotssitting here, talking to shit about this, the slider cut and all that it'slike. Okay, I guess we're actually in you know this guys, who weel doingstand up for a long time is like okay. I guess we know what we're doing here,something but yeah. We lend a lot of that to you to the point now were likeI look forward to every time a new episode drops like what new tool isHeece, I'm so merry about this. Now. What new tool is he goin to point meinto right in the direction of so well? Part of the part of the formula that Iuse is that I m testing a lot of...

...different things and then some of thosethings I end up using right personally and then I'll share the things that Iactually use with my audience to try to save you time of doing all theexperimenting that I'm doing so, I'm glad it works, and you know I know it'shard when you hear about a new tool, then you're like now. I need to getthis, but I'm just trying to bring the latest and greatest that can helppeople. You know save time and elevate their content and get it out to theright people so yeah. I love everything you guys are doing, I'mso glad we bring in before we let you go. We're gonna WE'RE gonna we're goingto like play in the inner certie you're, going to pull up the pod decks AP. Nowwe're going to we're going to ask you three questions from. Is there aparticular deck that you're a that you are fond of? I know we a man I likethem. All I mean I love the goofy ones like the W T and t e, the funny ones.That's more of my like. I have sort of a blue sense of humor so perfect, so I can be serious, but thisseems like an opportunity to have some fun. This is the chance to have somefun. I M Goin to get im going to pull up the WT, I'm just going to shufflethrough some random cards here by the way, guys, if you have them already,I'm gonna, I'm gonna Schmut right here on the pod deck AP on your phone checkit out, you got, you got digital decks there. One of the things I love cool isyou also got the podcast ing tool box. You can spill down, find equipment.They've got budgetary options as well, can also enter check out these exploreand learn options. There's I piped this deck all this APP all the time I do.Thank you yeah. We put a new course up today, so we get some mini courses thatyou can consume in about ten minutes and apply to your show and there's wedo monthly give aways. I believe that boom arm that you r you got right.There was a was a pod DEX APP winner right. There love it love this things Iwas so jealous. I went out and bought one for myself like it's mostly becauseI thought I didn't talk about this on the gun. Boxing, too, is like with thisheavy microphone. I was always having to constantly adjust the screw. Thisthing is so sturdy. I don't have to adjust a screw to move it. It's yeahit's and it's got the nice pocket to hold the cable in there be. That was myfavorite thing, I'm as as a tech, Guy, cable management, yeah, so all right,first one in the WT deck. If you were a member of the spice girls, what wouldyour spice handle be? Oh God, I see, I think, I'm too old. I know, there's ascary spice and then there's a ginger spice, there's a gender spy. You knowall of them- Oh God so Trenchon, my inner S, Kid Ginger, scary, sporty,posh and baby. Okay do I have to be one ofthem, or can I just make up my own? I think you should make up your own. Allright, I would be. I would be baled. Spicy, boss or shiny spice shines for cue ball.Spice Yeah, I mean the s were so amazing for the the five person popgroup. Right I mean like to have five people dancing and like five peoplesinging any song is too much. You know, yeah, look at you Pentatonic, I'mkidding. I then you I just watched two thousandand twenty documentary about how, like all those boy bands were run by this,like one guy who stay Ron, promener yeah step them all out of their moneyand they talked to like lance baths was like when he sat down to get his firstcheck and he thought was going to be for, like you know, thousands of dollars. It was likefifteen hundred bucks and not a a ow yeah. The music industry is not funwhen you're signing contracts and you're young, like it's really set upto for anyone who's a musician like you're in the best position. Now, whereyou don't need a major label, because major labels just spend money on yourbehalf and then they like make you pay it back. So those guys all got, I mean I'm sure,they're fine, but at that point they that Pearl man dude made a ton of moneyand fled to Cuba, yeah sex, free, Brittany. Let's see what type ofcontest do you think would be fun to...

...judge oh well, I mean obviously like ahot dog eating contest, a what t shirt contest a got anything that has to do with like the longest right like I can play thedrums for the longest. You know the world record like just watching peoplepretty much fall apart after their fatigue. That would be great. Whatabout you? What would you like to judge I've judged a lot? I would not that I'ma judge person I mean I am I like to tell people. I don't judge, I'm just agossipy bitch. I would love to judge I'd love to judge like a sand castlecontest. That's a good one, I'm always so impressed, because I was the kid thesand castle was bucket upside down twig. That's it on I'd, love to judge one ofthose hard core sandcastle contests and God they're, so good yeah, someelaborate sand. castling used to. I lived down south for a number of yearsand in Columbia in South Carolina, which is the capital, so we had tostate fair there every summer or every fall, so it was always a big thing togo to and they always had the big like sand castle of the year that was like bigger than my garage and like. If itwas dirty enough, you probably could have walked on it. Just that stuffalways floors me. I love artistic stuff like that that I can't do yeah there'sI mean the beauty of the world. Is that there's something out there foreverybody? You know people love trains and they love and castles, and it'slike it's amazing, there's a little bit of something for everybody, soeverybody's nerdy about something. It's true everybody's in ready aboutsomething. Let's get one more of these in here. Have you ever done somethingunbelievable only to have no one around to see it. Oh man like pretty much oncea day, I'm trying to think of the last thing I did. That was unbelievable. Youknow, I would say that, like I'm, one of these one in the million guys werelike my belt loop will get stuck on something that there's no possible waythat if you tried like I'll, be walking past someone or like, for example,walking on the street and then there's a guy riding a bike and somehow, likemy belt, love gets hooked in his handle, bars or something where there's no wayyou could have ever even tried to do it, I'm the one and a million guy or likeI'll drop, something that bounces perfectly into some place where I'llnever be able to get it again. It's like this slot is that big. So that'sprobably a reoccurrence e in my life. Is that there's no one there to see it, youknow it's like. Did you just us? No one! No one will ever believe me how about you. You got any good. I had a reead a moment of like pureMatrix Save the day. The other day I was putting in a new shelving unit inmy kitchen, and I had my cat kept jumping up on the counter and she wasabout to knock knock a glass off and so in a e fit. I like reached out to grabthe glass and figured screw at the shelf, will drop I'll get up later andI had extended out my back leg and the shelf just happened to fall right on myback leg and not hit the floor. Yes, they're, like pure wedded on one leglike a flamingo like I live alone. No one else is here: it'sso not fair. I was going to say. Maybe you were like. I know you cook and youmay sometimes you do. The cooking to Toros maybe took a bit o something onetime and you were like you gave yourself the Hilo maneuver or somethingand share I'll. Tell you what for every one ofthose cooking videos I put up there's about ten that never make the cut,because I take a bit of it and I'm like no yeah there. You go just didn't work. Well, Travis Brown! I want to thank youso much picking taken time out of your day to join us here, the VIP table inthe basement, lounge a dude, it's my pleasure. I I got to tell you you makeme laugh at least once a day with your instar or your tick talks, and ifeverybody here could just do me, one...

...favor like all I want you to do is justas soon as this episode is over, go to the PODCAST APP you're listening to andgive the show a five star review, but don't just give it like the starsactually write something in there, because you know people like mice arecoming to you consistently putting together content. Trying to entertainyou constantly, and the least you could do is you know, give them a little slapon the back and say hey job well done, because reviews mean a lot to us,podcast ers. They help people find us, and it's sort of just one of thosethings that you can do for free to help out and keep this show getting exposedto more people, so they could be entertained. So that's my ask. Iappreciate that so much man and do the same for the PODCAST Bolter Club overover on and it's easier in the never to do it. If you just go to or go to ourrespective web sites, because they yeah age has the review page, you can leaveit right there. They can leave you a voice mail to have you use that house avoice, those are so cool. I tested it out the other day and I was like I wishpeople would do this. This is awesome. Yeah download emit it's our new website.If you guys, if you're a podcast er, you haven't used pod page yet, like Oh,my God, it's the best thing ever it's the jam right there, I'm a roll, thered carpet for you, sir, and I'm going to. Let you go ahead and plug away atplug away. Well, Hey, listen! You can find me a pod Decom or you can find meat podes on Instar. Those are the two best places to find me. I love for youto say: Hey. I heard John Mike's podcast. If you're interested in havinggreat conversations, you can check out podes or the PODEX APP and thanks againfor having me man, I was honored to be invited and be a part of your legacyhere. Appreciate it so much and you guys I don't over to pod decom checkout, get these. You think you're out of the hats, now right, they're sold outman, I made fifty and they're all gone. So if you got one you're in the club,but you guys you got shirts, you got mugs and you've got the decksthemselves. You've got the episode deck. The L give you a little sneak peak. Wegot, we got new decks coming. Here's two of the new decks S E men, get thatin focus yeah yeah. All those boxes are Nice, yeah dude. We really spent sometime on the packaging to make it very elaborate. There's some good stuffcoming so keep keep your eyes peeled. So I don't over to pod decom and don'tforget, use the COT ten to get ten percent off your total purchase atcheck out and with that being said, we are going to we're going to say a bitof de the Travis Brown and we will. We will talk to you later, Sir thanks Mike.Do you one all right guys that is going to do itfor this month's installment of the VIP table once again make sure you checkout the podcast builder club and the pod decks APP and go to pod decks comand use the coble ten to get ten percent off your total purchase atcheck out? Thank you again. The Travis Brown for coming on the show and we'llsee you guys again and next time. Hey Remember! If you want to be a part ofthese interviews, live either live tappings and ask questions yourself.Join our patron. Go to patron com. TB underscore pod for only three dollars amonth is all it costs to join. Our VIP section guys can also support us bygoing to buy me a coffee and Co fee, Ko Dash Fi. I had a member to tvlit netand click the support button. You guys want help us out there as well. We'llsee I next month with a brand new interviewed of brand new guests. Untilthen is always live well, rock on take care and BUII.

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