The Basement Lounge
The Basement Lounge

Season 0, Episode 6 · 8 months ago

Interview with Jordan Boucher | The VIP Table #6

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A basement latch. Fans, welcome back to another monthly installment of the VIP table. This is the monthly show where we get to sit down with a guest and just have a conversation, get to know them, get to know a little bit about what they do and what makes them a VIP honestly. And this show, of course, is brought to you by pod decks. Mention you, guys ever to Pod DEXCOM, if you're a new podcast or a veteran podcaster, get all your awesome tools you need for improving your podcast game with episode interview decks used to Co Tybl ten to get ten percent off your code, your entire purchase with the code at check out. Our guest this month is someone I've never met before. Maybe you have, maybe you have, and I don't know why you're listening to this, but she is a Dietitian, she is a cannabis advocate and she is going to tell us a little bit about her life and her story and how it all has come to this precipice and we're going to welcome for on now let's welcome Jordan Bouchet. Jordan Bouche, welcome to the show. Thank you so much for being our guest this month. Thanks so much for having me. I'm so excited to be here. I'm glad you could be when I'm it was I know it was real short notice, but I'm real glad that that we were able to make this work and I think, I think it's going to be a lot of fun getting to know you today. To start things off, you you talk about in your you know, in your little boy in your biography and all that, they said you're not that you're not the healthiest Dietitian. I really, I really want to poke it that a little bit, like what is what do you mean by that exactly? Yeah, so I'm definitely like I love food. I lived in the New Orleans area for like twenty years and I'm from down south. So I love health to I want to be healthy, but, like, I also believe in like living to eat. Some people say like eat to live. I mean, I agree with that too, but I also agree with like live to eat. So I do not believe in restriction or depriving yourself. You know, I'm a fan of moderation, but also like an emotional eater or sometimes, you know, and cannabis Munchiese can come in sometimes and also, like, I mean, I don't know, I'm I'm living with my best friend right now. She's training for like a fitness show and it's this weekend and I just cannot wait for the show to be over to just get like a Margarita chips in Ko, you know, like the whole kit and Kaboodle, dipping whatever I can in the Cay. So like just drizzling it, because I've been living here for a couple months help and kind of, you know, I've been going through a different process. But anyways, so I have not been indulging like I wanted to since I moved recently moved back to Texas, and I cannot wait to do that. So I'm going to eat whatever. You know, what's one of your what's when I'm big for I just spent the whole day at my mom's. My little brothers going off to college and we spent the whole day like baking, because he head, I love the banks. We were like baking bread and pretzels and stuff like that. So I've been eating all day. What are some of your like go to things you love to just eating? It was especially like on a Munche Day or something? Sure. Well, first I have to say that I've never made pretzels before, so that is very impressive. Who highly recommend it. I will need to get the recipe from you because I did a little quarantine baking, but I never just went past like, you know, trying to be fancy sea bread or whatever. So it was yeah, I'll get that to use. After doing that the first time, I can never go back to regular pretzels. What ruined regular pretzels for me? I have to have these, like I have. They're like the big soft baked pretzels, like know, the ones you can get from like the freezer section of the grocery store, and it's like I can't go back to those. Yes, they be lent for me. Yeah, station we're like at a at a game or something. Yeah, I eat one and I'm just like Nah, I can do better. Are you dipping it in anything? At home, sometimes I'll make like a...

...beer cheese dip, WHOA, why wouldn't you if you can, but or do you know a little bit of mustard? But they're usually just great on their own. Honestly. Yeah, but what about you? Like what some of your go to go to snag you, especially when you got the munchies. Sure, I don't. I just kept wanting to ask you for any kind of tip set, anything new you can give me. Um. So I love popcorn. It's like my number one favorite snack. But I love truffle popcorn, and so truffle like the mushroom. That like THY corn. That's a thing. Take smell fork. Yes, I first, well, I first haded in New Orleans and then I've had like the best I had ever had at this local place in Seattle, because I lived right outside of seattles to and now another some other people took it over. anyways, it's amazing. I love truffle, truffle popcorn. The Pretzel Sounds Amazing as well. I love cheese, crackers, fruit berries. I try to stay as healthy as they can. So I don't keep a lot of like treats in the house because if I do, there's nothing holding me back from eating them. You know what I mean, like if they're there, then I'm going to eat them. So if I will eat whatever I can that's healthy, and then after that I'll just like go walk to the gas station and just like buy a couple of things from there and just bring those home. Many you don't. You know there's something to be said at this. Doesn't think the bet the gas station snacks get a bad rap? You know what I'm sometimes I'm in the mood for a slice of speedway pizza. I just am. You know what, judge me all you want, I don't care. I to love popcorn. There's a place in town called just called what's popping, and it's like thirty different kinds of popcorn and and I'm not that's one of those places. I Say I'm not allowed in there with adult money because right I will spend it all. Yeah, I love popcorn. Yes, yeah, like I after Seattle, I moved to Boston area and I was I spent like two hundred dollars on popcorn one year. Like we would just get it the truffle. You should maybe see if what's pop in can consider truffle if you like it. Actually, yeah, would be really popular. I'm I've never had truffle anything. Oh, yeah, I know. It's one of those it's one of those like like some day Sunday I'll be able to it's especially on here in the Midwest. A little harder to get ahold of but I was wanted to try it myself. Do you like mushrooms? I can take your leave mushrooms. I don't. I don't like crave them, but like I'm not going to get mad if I have them. Yeah, so it's not like a mushroom thing. Well, on Amazon, so when I can't get my favorite truffle popcorn, they sell truffle spray. It's like cooking spray, but it's truffle and olive oil. So I'll just buy some plain popcorn already popped. I used to have an air propper, but I'm not in anyways, and just spray the truffle spray on it and then put some pink sea salt on it and just shuffle it up and it's amazing. You're killing me. That would be like a Zevia Soda, like a Steva flavored dv Soda. It's so good, killing me. I want popcorn now so bad. So I know I ate it bag before this. So how did how did the Diet tissue thing come to come to be a reality for you? Like what was what was kind of that journey like this taking, deciding that's arount you wanted to go and kind of making those first steps to get there. Well, you know, I wasn't expecting that question. Um, so I definitely did not go into I finished high school and I went to like a local college and still lived at home with my dad and my step stepmom. And you know, I was going for a mass com for communications, because I love to write. And in high school I was like on like the news anchor, like I was like a news anchor on our new show and like was in like I never was on the stage, except for like one class, but I was always stage. who were behind the scenes. So I was Mas Com and then I ended up getting a point one on my in one of my classes, like a math class, because I'm terrible, and I had and I lost my scholarship after my second year and so I transferred to a community college and I took a nutrition class and I just fell in love with it. I always loved food, obviously,...

...and I had lived for a time with my grandparents. They raised me for a while during when I was a kid, and my grandma was type one diabetes, and so I always saw her taking really good care of her self. And then the second half of my life I lived with my dad, who was type to and who didn't manage it well and he died when he was fifty one and she lived, you know, an extra thirty years. I mean in genetics and everything, but seeing how they both had a similar health condition, like both were diabetic, just different types and they're different approaches. It really just made me think how much I just want to help people and share any kind of education or knowledge that I can. I think that you can, you know, live your best life but also just try to be as healthy as you can at the same time. That's a the it's an interesting point you bring up with the parents with diabies. My Dad was finally diagnosed type one when I was in sophomore in high school or something like that, and so it kind of became a huge lifestyle change for the whole family. We all started, because dad had to. We all started adjusting how we ate. You know, for a little while they were, you know, like my dad tried the South Beach Diet, which would not recommend. Just a lot of different was it was basically like the most anti carb diet on the face of the Earth, and you find out real fast how hindering that is, especially when you first try the the the CARB for breakfast cereals they offer and they taste like cardboard. But yeah, that that lifestyle change really and I mean to this day there's still a lot of things like I just I just can't go back because it did kind of rub off that way with some other thing, you know, like I still eat regular, regular pasta now. But yeah, that that does kind of shake your world up a little bit, specially when you when you kind of has to, when you kind of have no choice but to make that change. Yeah, it can alter your world view a little bit. Yeah, for sure, especially like so a lot of patients, like all the patients I've worked with, they usually are coming in because they've had a recent diagnosis or something happened where they have to make a change, and it's so much easier to make the changes beforehand, you know, just like in small increments, like just to try to start working on things, because when you have to, it's it just it's another level of like kind of pressure, you know what I mean? And like yeah, so, because there are so many like I mean to keep parp on that, but like that South Beach Diet thing, like it was, you know, it's one of those comes with a whole, like like Harry Potter Sized Book You have to follow, and like the very first step was cut out all carbs all together, all at once, and it's like that's that's a huge like like you would think the I would be too kind of it's almost like like when you're getting off a medication, like you get off of it slowly and increments to go hard like that, I would imagine, would kind of cause your kind of cause your body to react a certain way, mental, your physically to suddenly have that that no longer be there. I'm I could be you're the expert, I could be totally talking out of my ass, but no, yeah, it's like going from zero to a hundred like that. It's it. You really can kind of if you're trying to just do everything at once, you're likely not going to be successful because your brain is going to try to resist and be like you're freaking me out, I don't want to do all this at once. You can't get me exercise in you know, eating more Broccoli, more protein, drinking more water, cutting out my sugar all at once, like you are going to want to resist. So that it's always better to start as early as you can. And then the second thing would be like work on like one or two small, small things at a time, like instead of trying to, you know, cut out like the two lead of bound Dow and two leaders just in Esse, like just because we have two leaders in the French because she has to drink them for her competition. anyways, not mountain, do I want to get on that competition. So what was I saying? You're talking about like going from like zero cut everything out all at once. Yeah, so it's really hard to do that. So you're likely not going to stay on plan and then and then, once you crack right, you might do good for two or three days. Get your food,...

...have it already, and then, like as soon as you're stressed, as soon as you're tired, as soon as you're like cranky, like all of that will power kind of falls. You really need to establish the habits and place, because then you have, you know, say somebody brings a doughnut to the office and you're like, Oh, I've been so good, I'll just have one, but then you think, oh my God, my whole day's ruined. I might as well just eat whatever I want the rest of the day and start again on next Monday. So it's just all or nothing kind of thinking, and that's when people can get in trouble because then they feel like guilty because they didn't maintain it, and then it just makes them want to give up. But then like and then give into just throwing it, you know, like yeah, it's a lot. I remember hearing Kevin Smith talked about that, you know, a couple years ago when he had his heart attack. And Yeah, his doctor told him like he was just so incredibly out of shape he basically had to kind of at least I mean he phrased it like he had to reteach his body how to eat, basically because he was just so used to just, you know, he said, he said, my mouth was just a vessel for cake. And so he talked about having to like he because he had to go vegan basically to he had to get a lot of weight off, and so he talked about how for like a month all he ate was just potatoes, like no butter, no salt, just potatoes to kind of do like a hard reset on his mind and his body almost, which is I can't imagine. Although I did like the part where he said his favorite day was when he found out peanut butter and jellies were Vegan, which it's a it's a it's a good, good thing to hold on too, I guess. Yeah, you got to hold onto whatever you can at that point. You know what, what are some of like the with people you've worked with? Would have been some of the like the most common, like the complic bit most common thread all the you seem to see a lot of people have as far as struggles with struggles with their diet or with kind of getting into that healthier place. Sure, Um, the first one is probably that they go all day with about eating. So that can be a problem for a lot of reasons and a lot so many times people will come in and they're like, you know, I'm just not hungry during the day, you know, I just don't have an appetite, but then when I get home and I'm like comfortable, then I just want to eat everything or you know it, and at that point you really don't your body starving. You've been freaking it out all day, you know, working, probably just drinking lots of caffeine stimulants, maybe energy drinks. Maybe you have sugar from those drinks pulsing through you, your body's like by night time comes freaking out and you're not going to want to like, alleast me, I'm not going to want to sit down to like a real chicken on a salad if I haven't eaten all day. I'm like, Weir's the heavy stuff. I need the MAC and cheese. You know. I mean like like all I love seafood. So, like you know where the pool boys at or whatever. So there's all like words the Tacos, you know, with the Extra Glock and get you. So so that's like a big thing and that can happen for stoners to. So I work with cannabis clients now who are looking to manage the muncheese and lose weight and like live healthy as a cannas user. And then like so you go all day and then end of the day, plus you have the Munchees on top of that and you're just like going to eat whatever. And people will even sleep eat too, and they're like why am I doing that? And I'm like, you're not eating all day. You know you have to. So that's like one of the biggest things. The other thing is people, I would say, on the whole, do not eat enough protein. which helps to keep you full. I think if people want to be Vegan or go vegetarian or whatever, that's great. I think everybody should just do what is best for them and their body. But typically for my weight lost clients, they are eating some animal products. For sure. I'm with you, by the way. I'm a huge I love seafood, seafoot so much. You. You're on twitter as the Dank as dank nutrition you know, you've got the cars of the Dank nutritionist. So, aside from just like I know he's you mentioned you work with like the cannabis users in, you know, managing the Munch he's and losing weight is. Have you found any way in your practice that that using cannabiss can also be beneficial to someone who's maybe having the...

...dietary struggles of some kind? Yeah, there's actually strains. Just like they're strains that can give you the Munchies, there are strains that can make you not hungry, basically. So people will use these strains like like. They will switch what they're smoking or what they're using to a non appetite stimulating strain, and a lot of people have said that they've lost weight since they've started using cannabis and actually, on average, cannabis users have a lower BMI than non cannabis users, to which is interesting. So I would say if you're struggling with that, you want to try to use cannabis as best as you can, look at the strains that you're using, and then also just trying to set up healthy habits to make the cannabis work for you. You know, you don't want to let it control you. You want to be in control. So that could look like smoking something that's more of like an upper and having a hike plan that day, you know, and bringing some premate snacks with you. So it can definitely be a part of a healthy life. So I know that I just segued like all the way around. From what she has seeing, you're totally fine. That's what we as we live for here, and that that kind of gets me into what I was going to talk about anyway, which was, you know, obviously, even even now today, cannabis is a kind of a hot button issue. People still can't seem to agree one when it's seems like every year it's getting a little bit they these work better because it blies. It was bad, but have you have you had any in your field and in an issue work, and has there been pushed back that you've received from people who maybe still aren't on board with the use of cannabis? Like you? Have you received any kind of push back from from from how you approach things? Not Yet, but I'm sure it's coming. Right I'm someone's gonna have an opinion, you know what I mean, and and want to let me know what they think. I you know, the tricky thing is is that if I'm in healthcare and in like all of the clinical jobs, they still drug test you. You know, they will even drunk test you for nicotine. A lot of them really. It's yeah, and they're like because they're like, we have a no nicotine policy here and if you test positive then you can't. Wow, I mean, devil's advocate. I mean I get it. I'm also like really, like, that's that's the there's a there's worse things. That's yeah, I mean, yeah, yeah, I mean, if I'm thinking about it, it's probably the like save on their expenses of like insurance premiums or whatever, but yeah, it's it's pretty crazy. So it's just tricky because for a long time I felt like I had to hide who I was because I was working as a health professional and you don't want to like, you know, it's kind of tricky because you're like, Oh, here's my coworker or you know, like I wonder if they smoke. If they find out that I do, am I allowed to friend them, because then they're going to see all my stone or pictures, you know what I mean, or whatever we like. I'm out of the cannabis closet now. I heard that on another podcast. I can remember the name of it, but they are. Yeah, so I'm out of the cannabis closet and like I actually have a video that I recently made and it's like really not good quality, but you know whatever, where I'm just I'm like, this is how I felt as a health professional secretly using cannabis or whatever, and I'm like in a row and it's like Shane, Shane, and I'm gonna have to like dub it in if I can figure out how to use the technology, because it's true, you know. I mean even right now I'm about to get a like a contract clinical job and I had to take a drink test a couple days ago and I was able to pass it because I have drinks. You know what I mean. But like it's like, you know, nervous, like yeah, yeah, it's crazy. It is which you think about, like, like in how many states it's been decriminalized, that it's still one of those things that, like, yeah, like you imagine the guy ringing the bell. Shame, shame, and it it's become. And it's also, I want to ever hear the argument like we, you know, we can't legalize it, is that people will smoke it. It's like people are...

...smoking it already, Dude, just say and and you know, and obviously you can get into the whole politics of the situation too as well, as you know how many people are making a living selling it while those are sitting in jail because of it, that being what it is. But but yeah, that is that is something that I can imagine would be, would be a real struggle. Is, how do you find your way, you know, make your living in this field when it is still something that, yeah, healthcare facilities are probably still testing for, and I mean my company, the company I work for, does drug test when, you know, we get hired. So so it is weird, not weird, but but it is that's weird. It's weird. I do want to because I I was going to, because I want to get into this, into this quick segment real quick. So, as I mentioned, we are sponsored by pod decks and they supplied different kinds of decks of cards, digitally and physical, for interview questions, and I was going to ask you one about fitness and health and then the foody thing came up and I said, screw it, there's a deck about food. We're going to talk about some food here. The first one I want to go with is and because you mentioned loving seafood. So what's your what are your favorite kinds of seafood? Sure, I love crabs. Say you're like my absolute favorite. I love crabs so much. Yeah, and like and it's like more of a like avisceral thing too, because with my dad, my family, we would always go like crabbing and fishing any like builds these crab traps that worked so good and heat, like I said, he died like fifteen years ago. So it's always just like I still will go crabbing now and it's just so fun to me. But yeah, so it just crabs for sure are my favorite. I love crab so much. There was a I lived that I lived in the Carolina's for a number of years and there was a place that I would go to on Saturdays for twenty bucks. It was all you Giddy Krab legs, Oh my God, what? Yeah, they got twenty bucks for me once a week at least. We were just in we were just in Charleston actually for a family vacation and like, while we were there, whenever it was it where we're going to eat? It's like, as I live in Ohio now, I'm not getting fresh seafood around here. So it was were you want to go there? We're going to have to have seafood because while I'm down here, I want, you know, and I had, you know, crawfish. I had gator for the first time in my life. That was weird. It was it was good. You know, flounder, shrimp, scallops, you know, oysters. I had ever. It's just, yeah, I love seafood. Only thing at this point I haven't had as lobster see if. Oh my good, that never could when I was living down there. Couldn't afford it, and there's nowhere to get it up here. So someday something, yes, you'll have to go. I before I moved back down south, I was living in Plymouth Massachusetts. So you really they've got lobster everything. They're dying. I had an imitation lobster roll. Well, it was like eating rubber. It was like eating fishy rubber. One from the corn chips or potato chips. You mean like Frito's corn frito's or Doritos, or like lays ruffles? Um, definitely not lays ruffles. No, no, I love Tortilla chips. Love Tortilla chips again, going back to the Quisa, the salsa, things like that. Homemade nachos at home. Are you kidding me? And then you know I'm from the south and a Frito Pie. Have you ever had freedom? I? Yes, yeah, yes, okay, I'm with you. Like lays ruffles, whatever, they're fine. It's potatoes and oil, I don't care. But there is just something about about a good corn or Tortilla chip. Yes, that just it, just, it hits just. And Yeah, if you I remember when I was in middle school, my favorite snack to have when I got home was broke Nachos, which was just like, yes, or brand tostitos, and I take like American cheese slices in the microwave because that's what we had basically. But yeah, it was. I ate it and I read it exactly. Yeah, yes, and that I have my most favorite tortilla chips. I found them at some whole foods down south and I can't find them anywhere else and I think I called have a they're like have a go good day chips or have a good they the secret sauce. They put a little...

...sweet sauce on it and it makes it that much more kind of salty and like flavorful and they're like real tan looking. They're so good. I like that. We have a new TACO place that just opened up and they make their own. You can you can get a flight of dips like they do flights of dips, because they make their own glocks and Salsas and CAESOS and stuff and they make their own tortilla chips, but they make them thick so that they're not breaking off the minute you put it in the and they hit a little bit different. I'm not going to lie. They're pretty good, though. Oh my God, that sounds so good. Have you had fresh table Gloccamolie made like table side Gloccamoli made. No, that's a thing. Yeah, they just I pull up a cart to your table and just like scrape the Avocados out there and just to it's so good. I'm in. I need I'm into that. You to find a place that does that. I need that in my life now. Yeah, you do. I love to travel and I love traveling to big food cities. Two Thousand and nineteen. I with the Chicago for a week and, good Lord, the hot dogs that plays. There's something about the way Chicago does hot dogs. I don't know what it is, but okay, I eat hot dogs here now and I'm like yeah, but it's not a Chicago dog. I don't know, they're just they take hot they take hot dogs. So seriously, there is there a city or at all, that you think just has, that you've been to, that you think has just the best food? Oh my God, New Orleans. Oh well, that's that's cheating. Oh, I'm well, I mean, yeah, like nothing else compares, like you just can't. I mean there are places that may not have. I mean I want to say that there's places that may not have that, like New Orleans doesn't have, but I don't think that's true either. I think that they have everything you could ever want. It's like wonderland. One of my favorite episodes of the simpsons is homer ghost to New Orleans and does like a food or. It's like it's like a three minute segment of him eating just everything that is made at all these actual places that exists in New Orleans, like you know, these lobs, these shrimp Po Boys, and he's crab, these crap, all these crab things and all this different kinds of Gumbo, and it was one of those just like I want to, I want to live there, but I would weigh a thousand pounds if I lived in New Orleans. Easily. Then we lost her. Me, there you are. Oh, sorry, they're fine. Um, my friends dogs are may go crazy in a second. Just fi I am going to try to meet myself. Um, of here they go. Sorry, my cats clowing at the door. It's okay, I don't remember what you what we were talking about. I just just I would living in New Orleans like favorite food cities, like I would. I would weigh a thousand pounds, but I lived in New Orleans, Oh my God. Yeah, it's it's very tricky. They like style. Can Suck you in because, like the bars don't close either. So, like I lived by a bar in there would still be people partying at like five am, you know. And so it's it's just, it's yeah, and there's like always something to celebrate, like festivals. I mean that's what gives it its beauty. To plus, like it's like real, like rich food, Marty Rye kancake. I mean, what is what is kingcake? I've heard people mention that before. I don't know what kingcake is. Yeah, so it's like bread, which kind of sounds weird, right. Um, it's not like cake like you would think. It's like read and it comes in like an oval or circle, sorry, like showing you, and and they put like I don't even know how to explain it, like it has topped like a topping, like a cream, kind of sugar chopping on the sauce. I mean sometimes they'll stuff the inside like prawlins and cream, strawberries and cream, just strawberries, like we can get it plain and if you get it plain it just kind of tastes like cinnamon on the inside. Oh, the top it's icing and then like sugar. Sorry, I don't know what I'm thinking they're so good and then so, let me, there's a baby inside of it. Okay, I'm to keep going.

There's like this tradition and they take a little plastic baby and stick it inside of the cake and whoever gets the baby pass to buy the next kingcake. Oh, oh, yeah, I can get and I can get into that now. I'm obviously there wasn't like a baby and that was a little dramatic. You know. That's okay, that's great. I kind of want to do that now. Like, okay, they can ship them to you during Mardy gross season, because I got one every year I lived in New England. Oh, that's see, every every summer, covid notwithstanding, my friends and I go to this big camping event in Pennsylvania called Penzac, where we basically live, like it's like the one, sixteen, seventeen, hundreds. Well, like we it's. It's fair type, kind of like a rentfair, only it's not really open to the public. Who are some like vendors and stuff and like people who like restaurant to like we'll have like a little food square, but but the main ideas that like while you're there, you all camp and groups and so your camp is kind of like your homestead. So like we build like a makeshift kitchen in our campus of the day, but we're always looking for like fun new traditions and it's I'm just thinking about this right now, like we can make that work. This is like something we could totally do, especially for big parties. Just whoever gets the bread has to bring one the next year or something like that. Yeah, I love that idea so much. Yeah, also, there's so much debauchery at that place. It's ridiculous. It sounds awesome. It's fantastic. I recommend it if you if you like camping in the outdoors and kind of being in a constant state of not sober for about five days it. It's the best thing ever and it's Tam and from a health standpoint, you walk about eight miles a day. So if you're going to lose weight, whether you want to or not, right, can you costume? You Owe you? Are you better? If you don't you get weird looks. Oh my God. Okay, like the first time I went, I just had regular clothes on because I had never gone before. Is it's a bunch of my friends who brought me. So I was going to get like my because they have vendors there you can buy clothing and stuff from. So I was going to buy it, but the whole time I was there everyone just kept saying, why are you naked? It's it's one of the because it's like elevenzero people go every year. It's huge. It's a whole campground in Pennsylvania that we just take over. So how are you it? How do you get in if it's not open to the public? I mean, you guys, so, so what? So you have to like reserve campground space. So you can either you get either reserve space as a as a community, which is basically you get like x a square footage, or they have an area where you can just go camp and singles, which is basically you have space for your tent and your personal belongings and then you you took you have to register online, as all it is. But like you can't, people can't just like show up and walk in the door for the day. Like you have to register months in advance and bring about five hundred cash, cos you're going to spend about five hundred cash, whether you plan on it or not. You're great worst. Yeah, it reminds me of I've been to a couple of like camping music vessels, MMM, like Bonnaroo, and some fish shows and stuff. So it rem kind of reminds me of that, except like with a flare because of like the time. It would be like game of thronesy. I feel like, oh, there was this. There's a guy who rides around the campground on a UNICYCLE with a set of bagpipes, just playing me, me, me, me, men. Any it's and you got to be careful which week you go. There's this two weeks. The first week is family week, so you're encouraged to bring your kids a lot of daytime activities. There's a curfew and noise ordinance. Safe weekend, yeah, but the second week is called war week, which is the risk and it's then that's usually when there's like all kinds of parties at night and it's like if you try to go to bed early, like that's on you. There's no promises, it's you. You might as well just get up and go do shit. Is there like jousting? Yeah, there's actually a whole if you want to be a part of the play combat, there's a whole battlefield where guys pulled on our MMR and reenact combats on a battlefield. Since that's not personally my thing because I don't like to get hot and Sweaty, I go for the camping and also just feel like you're in the mountains. Yeah, it's nice and super relaxed. Last last question from this from this...

APP thing, and then, and then we'll get back into stuff here. Do you prefer fancy restaurants or local dive restaurants? Local dive fancy restaurants. So, like, what's scary is I know exactly what you're talking about. Okay, so I don't want like like I want really good food, like a game up or two or three from what I can make, but like somewhere like casual and like chill. I there's a place in town called lilies. We have here. It's high quality, classier food than I typically make in my kitchen, but I also go in there and drink my cocktail out of a giant teaky right. So I don't feel like I have to get dressed up, but if I did they would look at me weird right. Yes, yes, yes, exactly. I love the yeah, that's I will take a hole in the wall with good food over right over or a dress code place with, you know, mediocre food anyday, right, right. And I really love like farm to table places to because a lot of their food it's just it's so fresh and it's just they can make it very simple because the ingredients are really fresh. But again, it's kind of country, you know what I mean, because it's like farm to table. So there's like this like home kind of I'm going on. I think the people who say that there's not a big difference of never actually had farm to table. Oh yeah, I live in I live in Ohio. Everything's farm table, because where you're not in the city, you are in farmland. Is So right, tables everywhere, right, right, and I've had department store steaks and I have had I killed this cow yesterday steaks, and there is a difference. Right. Yeah, agreed. And the cocktails too, are usually insane. Oh yeah, it's one of those you walk in, you know the foods either going to be really cheap and or really good. Yep, yeah, because they're not trying to make they're not trying to hit a profit margin. They're just US doing what they want to do do. One thing I want to do is that is that fresh tattoo. Ink. I see on your arm. It is I have a yeah, so you snake just dropped. So it's infinity snake. It's an orb bore, so it's eating its tail. Yeah, it's a it's an a dotting pattern. I just got it yesterday. So, like, it still looks kind of weird because it's in the plaster for happenings, right, and then I got a twist this thing, and then I just got a wave. Oh, I like it. Yeah, so they're both pretty, you know, symbolic for me. So I got them yesterday and I am your peerss went all your chat. You're just loving that glow up. You're just like, screw it, I'm getting ink and I'm getting piercings and yeah, fuck it, ready to do it. I'm doing yeah, if you know, something to be Said About Simple but pee. I love the big ornate piece tattoos. Those are great. So to be said about something that's simple and meaningful. I mean, my mind's just the shirts night. Let me do it. Mine just three Nordic runes that spell for which I know it's a complic character, but when I live down south, my real good friend, we both would cosplay. She would cosplay as low key AD cosplay. As for the one I left town, she got one that said low key in norse. I got one that's at Thor. Love that. Yeah, it's super. I love the simple. But you know what, the simple ones, I think, tend to actually mean something as other than just check out my flaming squeaky skull. Yeah, warm wold pirate ship thing, which is cooling it. But yeah, I was telling the guy yesterday, I was like all of my other tattoos are like flipping into the book and be like okay, I'll just take that. You're right, when I'm like, I don't do that. So I drew these well, well, banchnically, I designed them, like I took some images online and then I just kind of like remade them my own thing, and then, like they were really shaky. So the Tattoo artists are here had to think some for me, but he did a great job. ANYWHO. Yeah, so I just got yeah, I love the simple and well, more than to kind of circle back around. Look, he is a I'm writing a fiction novel and Lowkey is a character, not comic book Lokey, but this person is like living on a weed farm...

...looky. So the I love that idea. Low Key with pot yeah, I'm doing I'm into that dreads. I've a hundred percent. I'll let you know when it's done. Please do I that's fantastic, as we as we you know, as we start to kind of wrap things up your so, as far as you know, I like to ask people this because I like to I like to imagine everyone has one of these. But usually when someone undertakes an an endeavor of some kinds something they're passionate about, there's usually some kind of, you know, endgame goal on a pedestal, be it big or small. Is there something like that for you? Oh my God, yeah, of course. Yeah, is it? So? You know, I feel like some of the spiritual stuff or like personal power manifestation gets a bad vibe, but I am really trying to work with it. I have been on the bottom, you know. I've had enough breakdowns to own a tow truck. So I'm taking whatever I can right now. So I've been doing a lot of like trying to do visualization, goal setting. So I've actually think about this all the time. Right so I'm in like Spain or Portugal, I can look out the window. I'm in like a villa. You know, they've got like the white walls that are like kind of some stone material or something. You can see the ocean. It's like breezy. I have like a wine garden or our winery with grapes, you know what I'm saying, like fresh produce that I'm growing. I own a book store, t shop and ride my bike. They're my villa also doubles as a retreat for creatives, specifically writers, where they can paint and do crafts, because I love crafts, and I'm also doing a yoga teacher training, so like we can do that and it's just like gorgeous and there's hammocks and I'm just writing and just helping people in educating them however I can so that they can feel their best and live their best life. That reminds me of, and you see this in movies all the time, those retreats that you know, the couples go to to to respark the passion and kind of get back in touch with themselves, and it's one of those things like you always see these places in the mid but you never hear about where they whether you know like where they actually are and it's I love that idea. It's like fantasy island without the crazy murder death. Thanks. Yeah, but you know, I do kind of like an island with a lot of murders and dust. I mean there's something to be said about it. It makes you a great television it's it makes for great writing to yeah, I love that idea so much. That's this. I just I love that idea of having like a like a like a private slice of Heaven, that it's just yours. Yeah, but then and you can also share it with people and they can work on themselves in like heal at the same time. And then if I'm like, because I'm introverted, I don't even like to leave the house, if I'm like this is a lot of action for me, I've got to go, then I have another place I can go to and have somebody else run it or just have the billet to myself. You know what I mean? Yeah, I got big ideas. I love it. I'm like you, like when covid hit and everyone was like can't leave your house, I was like, okay, I mean, oh, no, hard shout. Okay, yeah, I get sensory overload real easily, which is not great when you work at the TV station, but Oh my God. Yeah, but yeah, I'm like, I'm like you if I I just need to be a place to go and just be quiet and lay my head down and not have to worry about life. Right. Yeah, yeah, I mean I when I lived in Massachusetts, I lived right by the beach, so I didn't want to see anybody, but I would love to go to the beach and just like pick up sea blass and like fool shells to craft with, you know. So like just, yeah, I'm good with it. I love that. I love that. Will Jordan, I want I want to thank you for for taking, you know, an hour out of your day to sit down and talk with me and indulge my my ever poking and prodding...

...with personal questions about you and your life. I like to invite everyone who comes on the show at the end, if you have to, if there's anything you want to ask me, to go right ahead and hit me with hit me with your best shot. You're putting the pressure on me. Okay, I have a good one, but first I want to say thank you for having me, because we should an hour of your day with me too, and this has been so fun. Okay, so this is actually, I think, a Tim Ferris question that he asked his podcast. What is the book? What is the most gifted book that you've given people? Like does that my soul? That's a good question. I know he has great question. There's there's there's two. I have a lot of friends who are a lot of nerdy friends who are also in who like words like psych majors or are practicing psychiatrist, psychology, that kind of thing, and there's a great book called Batman and psychology that breaks down like the psycholog the psychology of like the Batman mythos. So I've recommend but also a lot of my friends are also like creative types and are getting into writing and, especially nowadays with in the yout you page, producing their own series and things. There's one called save the cat. It's a book about storytelling and story structure. That is probably it's the only screen like the only writing book I still own that I still will go back to and read and I write. It's the only one I recommend to anybody who's WHO's into that in that creative space. It does the way that they there's not a lot of fancy how to use and it's like I did it this way, so it's the only way the work. It's very adaptive, it's very here are some here are some stepping stones. Create the path yourself. It's it just kind of gives you that base. There's a direction, there's there's a there's a there's an end location. Get there however you see fit. Well, the best s rain books ever is that Blake Snyder. Yeah, yeah, I have that book and somebody took that book and revised it and to save the cat rights and novel because the writer and I just graduated with my master's last week in writing. So I'm thank you. So I have the novel. Will have both, but at the novel writing one it is like insanely knowledgeable. I when I started writing, like I didn't even know that there was like story structure, like plot points, like you kind of know how the story waves, you know, but I didn't know that there was like a formula to these things. And it yeah, I love that book. It was. Yeah, it was one of the best. My friend Travis, who works out in Los Angeles, recommended that to me and I've never looked back. Yeah, it's one of the best. So yeah, that and the Batman of psychology book, if you're just curious. That was that was more just like wow, Batman's fucking crazy. It's a lot of fun. It's a great one too. I probably really like it. It's a great it's a great. It's a great, like I'm in the bathtub drinking wine, like, Oh shit, every night. Yeah, I'm on the Green River killer right now. By a rule, I haven't read that one. I'm a little behind on reading. I got to be honest with you. Nowadays it's fun finding an hour free that I'm not like doing stuff like this whatever. To set that is read a book nowadays is it's hard. Yeah, it is. This is an old book, but it's about a really prolific serial killer in the Seattle area. Once you now I have to read it in the ladies who wrote it, can I just tell you this? So she's a true crime writer. She worked with Bundy when he was a killer. I know, I know, it's crazy, like he was pycology student and they were like we're working at like a crisis Cole Center or something. What's it called again? So her name is Anne rule, through crime writer, but the book I'm reading is called it's like the Green River serial killer. Okay, the one she wrote because she's like really good with crew tren true crime is about fundays like this stranger or something. It's real creepy. Oh Damn, I haven't read that one, but like yeah, you know it's go. Oh Damn. Okay, well, I know what. I know, what I'm I know. The next pert going to read is because that, like most Americans, I I'm obsessed with serial killers. So No, so, and...

...if you don't listen to audio books, I would. I would say I do. I do want occasion, I pre cood it. I did a lot of traveling, so if I was listening to podcasts, I was listening to audio books on the road. Obviously haven't done a lot of traveling lately, but great, that's yeah, you get that a shot. I spend a lot of time alone. So yeah, they changed my life. Audio books, and if you have a library card, you can get a library APP for free on your phone where you can get the books for free and support the library. I see you know what someone's told me. I swear I've heard someone else tell me about that once before. Yeah, I need to check that out. What's I will I don't have a library card. It happened for years and I really need to. Yeah, there's a couple of different APPS for it, but yeah, really go to listen into if your meal propping or walking or in the in the bath, you know, without a book. Don't drop your phone of the water. Kids. It's bad. But the rice thing doesn't work. All right. Well, Jordan Bouche, thank you so much once again for coming on. Where can the people who are listening find you online, should they so desire? INSTAGRAM. I think it's Dank underscore nutritionist. I should really know because like litter, was like Dank nutrition because they didn't have enough letters. If you just searched dank nutritionist or dank nutrition, my name is Jordan Boucher, you should be able to find me. I don't have the exacts. I Apologize. I'm also on Patreon and I read personal essays to allowed, so you can follow me on Patreon or on social media and see those as well. ANTASTIC guys. Make sure you go check out Jordan Boucher on the Internet, check out our Patren, check out a twitter, instagram. Jordan. Thank you one one more time for coming on and we will. We will be in touch with you again soon, hopefully. Awesome. Sounds Great. Thank you so much. Thanks for all of the recommendations to so, of course, of course, thank you. Thanks. That was our talk with Jordan Bouche. Make sure you guys go online follow her. Hope you guys enjoyed it this time. Once again, this was brought to bipod decks. Go to pod nextcom used to co tbl. Tend to get ten percent off your total first at check out. Thank you one more time to Jordan Bouchet, the thank nutritionist and love that. Get that tattooed somewhere and then back again next month with another tip with another VIP guests. Until then, my name is Mike Shay. As always, live well, rock on fake are and buy. Bye.

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